[02:00] <@GhostDog> -----> It is 2:00 AM Mountain Standard Time [02:14] *** Paul` (paul@6ca5f09f.6ca5f081.128.125.imsk) Quit (Quit: Connection reset by peer) [05:31] *** ChristyWork (NOSPRINGS@205.232.78.44) has joined #jiggyweek [05:57] *** Nully (fydyan@9mm.com) has joined #jiggyweek [05:57] hi! [06:11] hi [06:11] how's this morning treating you [06:11] well, apparently two planes just hit the World Trade center [06:11] one hit each tower [06:12] I guess they're suspecting terrorism, given that it happened sequentially [06:13] wow. I gotta check CNN.com [06:14] none of the news sites will load! [06:14] guess too much traffic [06:15] i thought it was our network [06:16] it's all the news sites. cnn, abcnews, nytimes....... [06:24] BOTH buildings [06:24] are on fire. [06:24] Its horrible [06:24] Its like something out of a disaster film. [06:24] If this was a hijacking, heaven help the host state. [06:25] This is truly horrible. [06:25] Im sick to my stomach. [06:25] They have film of the second plane slamming into the second tower. [06:26] This is pure horror. [06:26] Just got this email from Marcus: [06:26] TURN ON THE NEWS! plane crashed into world trade center! [06:26] M [06:27] *** F (fydyan@9mm.com) has joined #jiggyweek [06:27] *** Nully (fydyan@9mm.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:27] *** F is now known as Nully [06:27] My god [06:27] what? [06:27] Two planes. [06:27] Both buildings. [06:27] I guess I'm sort of glad I can't see a TV set right now, from the sounds of it, Quag. [06:27] Im serious, I'm going to be sick,. [06:28] Yeah, two planes. One a 737, the other a 767 or an airbus [06:28] I was just watching the news in the other room [06:29] This is terrible [06:30] I can't imagine the casualty rate [06:31] And if this is terrorism, they picked the wrong kind of president to provoke, too. This could escalate in an ugly way. If it is terrorism. But they have the film of the second plane crashing in. Its horrific. I havent felt this way since the Challenger disaster. [06:31] Yeah, except that was an accident [06:31] Yeah. [06:31] *** Nully (fydyan@9mm.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:32] Do we know if there were passengers on the planes besides the pilots? [06:32] *** Nully (fydyan@9mm.com) has joined #jiggyweek [06:33] our network keeps going down. probably overloaded [06:33] Theyre now saying that one is an American Airlines plane [06:35] Now the panic stage begins. [06:35] Where the public demands that responsibility be immediately determined. [06:35] The subsequent infringements on civil liberties, paranoia. [06:35] Tossing around Osama bin Laden's name. [06:35] Panic, irrationality. [06:36] Arlington Road kind of shit. [06:38] i can't get on a single news site [06:39] That's a big problem with the American mindset -- immediate justice, even if you prosecute/witch hunt the wrong people [06:39] or persecute whoever is convenient. [06:39] Thats not American, thats universal. Which is even worse. [06:40] yeah. [06:40] when the Alfred P. Murrah building was bombed, the immediate reaction was that it was a foreign terrorist. [06:41] Someone already brought that up in a cautionary note. [06:41] I hope they keep mentioning it. [06:41] What is today? It's not the anniversary of anything, is it? [06:41] i feel sick [06:41] What time did this happen? [06:41] a little before 9 [06:43] This is a stupid question, but what state is the world trade center in? [06:43] This is just the type of shit I don't know. [06:43] They are now evacuating the White House and Pentagon. Another plane crash on Rte. 395 in DC, unconfirmed report. [06:44] Explosion at the Pentagon. [06:45] Might be the same thing. [06:45] holy fucking shit! [06:45] World Trade center is in NYC [06:45] Old Executive building is billowing black smoker [06:46] bbiaf [06:46] ugh! [06:46] THe Pentagon is on fire [06:47] I want to go home. [06:48] I don't feel safe being downtown in a big building. [06:49] I know that's silly. [06:49] Well these are clearly prime targets [06:49] yeah. [06:49] <@GhostDog> My name is Ghostdog, and my anti-drug is SEX. [06:49] *** AcousticSavant (sdfggz@14055af1.14055af7.205.232.imsk) has joined #jiggyweek [06:49] [AcousticSavant SOUND] [06:49] Keith [06:49] Shoulder sore [06:49] They are now evacuating the White House and Pentagon. Another plane crash on Rte. 395 in DC, unconfirmed report. [06:49] Explosion at the Pentagon. [06:49] This is truly sickening. [06:50] All airports in the country are now closed. [06:50] What?? [06:50] Good. [06:50] Two planes crashed into the world trade center at 9 am, Keith. [06:50] and another in D.C. [06:50] One hit one building, then they have film - really horrific film - of the other one being hit. [06:50] Shit! [06:50] Yeah :( [06:51] Rob -- predictably -- is already saying the Iraqis are doing it. [06:51] He has no idea what a stereotype he is [06:51] Heh [06:52] *** Heregrima (ill@f2f64d05.dialup.c7b28ff4.com.hmsk) has joined #JiggyWeek [06:52] <@GhostDog> MEIN FUHRER! I CAN VAHLK! [06:52] ARE YALL WATCHING THIS SHIT?! [06:52] I just switched on the telly [06:52] I'm at work, none of the news sites are up. [06:52] Supposedly a Palestinian group claims responsibility, but the Pentagon was hit too. [06:52] #jiggyweek is my only source of news right now [06:52] brb [06:53] But false claism are common, and of course if Palestinians are balmed the firs thting you ahve to consider is that Israelis might eb involved. [06:53] claims, be [06:53] blamed, my bad [06:54] Israelis might be involved? [06:54] oh [06:54] in the false claims [06:54] I doubt that. [06:54] I think journalists kind of get to that speculating on their own. [06:54] I do too, but if Palestinians are balmed, you have to consider that they're being set up by opposition. Even a rogue group. [06:55] blamed, dammit [06:55] air traffic nationwide is frozen. all bridges, and tunnels out of or into NYC are closed. [06:56] White House is evacuated, GWB is en route to Washington from Florida. [06:56] I just hope people can find it in their self control to be measured, calm, and rational in assessing blame. I'd hate to see innocent middle easterners residing in the US become the target of random violence. [06:56] well, you know as well as I do how likely that is. [06:56] people are ignorant. they need someone to point a finger at. [06:56] Well Im hoping that they keep doing what they have been doing, which is drawing parallels between this and how everyone jumped to conclusions in the Murrah building. [06:56] Murrah? [06:56] OK city [06:57] ah [06:57] I dunno, dude... this is obviously acoordinated attack. [06:57] someone planned this. [06:57] now the real question is, was this just a good day to blow shit up, or is there a significance to September 11? [06:58] Yeah but it could just as well be anti-globalization types. [06:58] Which no one is saying. [06:58] Is this a retaliation for something that happened on this date? [06:58] But with all of these pierced morons in the world protesting the WTO and throwing rocks at Starbuck's.. [06:58] Not that I know of. [06:58] heh [06:59] Well, my sister's finacee's father was at the WTC. I really seriously hope he made it out alive. Along with several of my co-workers. [06:59] WTC is crumbling. [07:00] Godspeed them. [07:00] yeah, what happens if the WTC collapses? [07:01] it collapsed. [07:01] Holy shit [07:02] unconfirmed report, but it appears to be only a portion of the building. [07:02] Yeah, its the whole top. [07:02] I mean, there is a cloud of smokethat has engulfed several city blocks [07:03] see, what I wonder is, is this it, or is this just the beginning? [07:03] I'm terrified that it's only the beginning. [07:03] If theyre hitting morale targets, where should we expect to see the next blow? [07:03] I hope it's not the beginning, I hope it's over. [07:03] *** Bleech_ (nunya@91406f00.nc.14056255.com.hmsk) has joined #JiggyWeek [07:04] Oh my fucking God [07:04] Nothing which requires any courage, like a military base. [07:04] You don't have a TV anywhere nearby, Christy? [07:04] This is less like OK city and more like Pearl Harbor. [07:04] My dad called and woke me up for this [07:04] He said something about they got the Pentagon too ? [07:04] Yes [07:04] The Pentagon is burning [07:05] Yeah. No reports on what caused the explosion, but the Pentagon's been hit. [07:05] THE FUCKING TOWER COLLAPSED ?!?!?!?! [07:05] Yep [07:05] The whole top just fell off. [07:05] And part of the left WTC collapsed. [07:05] THE WORLD TRADE CENTER CANT COLLAPSE [07:05] oh, but it can, and it did. [07:05] What the fuck is going on ? Who did this and why ? [07:05] No idea, no one has any idea. [07:06] A Palestinian group claimed responsibility, but that's not very reliable. [07:06] The US, in its adventurism and cavalier attitude to murdering people for oil, etc. is ultimately responsible for this. [07:06] Every American-hating idiot in the world probably wants to claim this one. [07:06] No doubt. [07:07] <@GhostDog> Boing. [07:07] *** TheJerome (yrm@4b7eb7f4.b36c26e4.ca.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [07:07] I need to go to class and turn in a paper but I want to stay close to news sources. [07:07] what's up RM? [07:07] No TV here, Keith [07:07] do you have FOX on? [07:08] Yes [07:08] Jerome: nothing's up. The WTC appears to be, well, not up. Down. [07:08] I heard something about the Mall too ? [07:08] WTC? [07:08] It scares the shit out of me that this is only about a 5 or 6 hour drive from here [07:08] As in World Trade Centre? [07:08] World Trade Center. [07:08] Jerome, turn on the TV. [07:08] a plane ran into it? [07:09] Two. One ran into each building [07:09] And one into the Pentagon. [07:09] PLANES ATTACKED THE PENTAGON! [07:09] 737s. [07:09] supposedly hijacked form Boston. [07:09] Holy SHIT. This is like the end of Clear and Present Danger! [07:09] yeah, well, Han Solo ain't gonna get us out of this one. [07:09] I'm listening to CBC Newsworld. Can't remember what channel CNN is on here. [07:09] I suddenly wish I were in canada and nobody gave a shit about my country [07:09] (no offense, jerome) [07:10] Christy: that's why I'm glad to live here, actually. [07:10] Well thats why Americans sew those nice Maple leafs onto their baggage when they go abroad [07:10] Because the US government acts stupidly in its dealings with other countries. [07:10] canada is just innocuous. [07:10] People in other countries hate english speakers with American accents, until they learn they're Canadian. [07:10] Oh, you're not in a state of emergency yet. [07:11] But we don't know if the first family's been moved out yet. [07:11] Can anyone say yet if there were explosives, or if all this smoke is just from crashing alone? [07:11] Crashing. [07:11] The guy here was speaking of bombings. [07:11] PC3 is believed to be the first plane that hit the east tower. [07:11] The west tower was hit by a 737, reports say it was a United Airlines craft. [07:11] It's just that when the news reporter said "mushroom cloud-like" it rattled my nerves a bit too much [07:12] no, if it were a nuke, you'd be missing a few city blocks at least. [07:12] and we wouldn't have Washington correspondants speaking on the tv, either. [07:13] Were the PASSENGERS still on these hijacked planes ? [07:13] Oh! Neat! Fox turned on the Fox news channel. [07:13] Probably. [07:13] undoubtedly. [07:14] Shit! One whole tower collapsed?!? [07:14] yes [07:14] Pentagon was hit by both a plane and a chopper. [07:14] Live on the air [07:14] right now, Prince is speaking. [07:14] Brett was watching as they interviewed some woman in the tower about the first explosion when it collapsed [07:14] Oh, wait. That's not Prince. [07:14] Ossama Bin Laden is the prime suspect, according to CBS News. [07:14] * AcousticSavant slapz0r Jerome [07:14] Yeah he always is [07:14] Bush has indigestion, it's Osama bin Laden's fault. [07:15] Does anybody have a news site that's up? [07:15] All I can get is rochesterdandc.com [07:15] Whatever organization did this just fucked their cause. [07:15] whoever's fault it is, I feel sorry for his ass now [07:15] Try cnn.com or something? [07:15] What a FUCKING HUGE FIRE. [07:15] all are down. [07:15] their routers are undoubtedly pummeled with traffic [07:15] news.bbc.co.uk [07:16] This is shit from a bad movie. [07:16] try the bbc or the cbc [07:16] I actually feel sick. [07:16] Same here [07:16] some of the NYC hospitals are at full capacity [07:16] Capitol Hill too ? [07:16] I feel sick too. [07:16] I have to go to class, but my guess is that we'll be dismissed early today. [07:16] bbl [07:16] I'm feeling excited and very, very disturbed and alarmed. [07:16] *** Heregrima (ill@f2f64d05.dialup.c7b28ff4.com.hmsk) Quit (Quit: I lost 80 pounds on the crystal meth diet! And now I CRY WHEN I SEE TREES!) [07:16] This is horrific. The film of the plane ramming the second building is disturbing. [07:16] Christy [07:16] http://us.news1.yimg.com/p14.news.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010911/ts/crash_tradecenter_dc.html [07:17] thanks, matt. [07:17] bbl [07:17] yeah, I don't think it would be quite so sickening if it wasn't on film [07:17] *** Nully (fydyan@6ca61224.com.hmsk) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [07:17] I would have fucking cried if I had seen what Brett did [07:17] And his sister left on a plane to NYC at 7am [07:17] oh my god. [07:18] not American he doesn't think [07:18] Wayne's brother is an electrician who works in the WTC [07:18] he's trying to call NYC and can't get through! [07:18] DEM Front for liberation of palestine claims responsability [07:19] well, getting through to NYC for the next dozen hours will be impossible [07:19] all aircraft takeoffs have been shut down. shit. [07:19] Jesus Christ, I bet every gate on Fort Bragg is tight as a fucking drum right now [07:20] And the plane crashing was actually filmed? [07:20] They got the capital now ?!?! [07:20] Yes [07:20] They keep showing scenes from before the tower collapsed and it's fucking with my mind, like for a split second I think it was a dream or a special effect [07:20] The last plane smashing into the tower and it collapses [07:20] Half of the pentagon is down. [07:20] I still can't process that it's not there [07:20] We live in such a delicate bubble of history which has just broke. [07:21] CNN has images of the pentagon ATM. [07:21] Howard Stern says the Capital was hit [07:21] Capitol, my mistake [07:21] Nah. It was just evacuated. [07:22] capitol, treasure, white house, state, justice, un evacuated. [07:22] Jerome - yes, every plane in the country is grounded [07:22] New York City is completely shut down, every airport, subway, train, road is down [07:22] I cant believe there are no more twin towers. [07:22] I thought only part of it collapsed [07:22] holy shit. those images are going to be seen again and again in the next 50 years. [07:22] Whole thing is gone. [07:22] One tower is left. [07:22] visibility is nothing within 6 miles [07:22] of the tower [07:23] Quag - That's what I mean. This is like, I dunno, Washington without cherry trees [07:23] I just saw a shot of Manhattan... only one tower, a huge ball of smoke moving in the wind... [07:23] This would probably have been easier to deal with if I didn't hear about it until 12 hours later and knew that nothing more happened afterwards [07:23] San Francisco without the GG bridge [07:24] a portion of the pentagon collapsed... [07:24] How can reporters stay this cool and collected [07:24] Half of em probably have erections. [07:24] fame, Keith. [07:24] right. [07:24] Yeah [07:24] You're right [07:24] They're reporting History. [07:25] SHIT [07:25] All flights to the US are being sent to Canada. [07:25] Flights to US are going to Canada instead [07:25] I just saw the footage of the tower collapsing [07:25] Heh!!! [07:25] Heheheh. [07:25] That's not funny, I know [07:25] MAN [07:25] And in the foreground, the traffic light turns red. [07:25] Car bomb at the state department [07:26] That Peace Bridge is lookin' mighty sweet right now [07:26] according to rather [07:26] GAH [07:26] GROUND FOOTAGE [07:26] That is painful to watch [07:26] yeah [07:27] 2nd building is collapsing, maybe.... [07:27] I just went to wake my mom up and burst into tears [07:28] People jumping out the windows. [07:28] oh my god. [07:28] The other tower went down? [07:29] GOD [07:30] both towers collapsed? [07:31] The . . . when it did, I wasn't sure if they were just showing the first one again, but yeah [07:31] And the reporter just said "there are no words." [07:32] I'm not so sure there weren't explosives [07:32] Wayne says this is a real-life Project Mayhem. [07:33] he is being strangely glib for somebody whose brother may have been in the building. [07:33] Kinda makes the ending of Fight Club anticlimatic [07:33] I think he's mostly just in shock. [07:33] Yeah. [07:33] I have to pee [07:34] That picture of the Statue of Liberty standing before a city engulfed in smoke and dust... [07:34] Is probably gonna be CNNs official LOGO for the continuing coverage [07:34] I am on hold with work and they're playing "Get Together" by The Youngbloods [07:35] SHIT. I just saw the second tower collapse FIVE TIMES because I'm trying to learn more about what's going on *here*. [07:35] even Howard Stern has shut up [07:35] My dad's probably stuck in Toronto right now. [07:35] That adds a strange tinge of black comedy, Quag [07:35] Idk if Canadian flights are taking off. [07:36] If Captain Janks makes a phone call during this, someone should chase him down and beat his ass [07:36] we can't even see the statue of liberty [07:36] It's in the foreground on CBS [07:36] the whole US has been evacuated. [07:36] "orgy of terrorism", Dan Rather just said [07:37] MY FELLOW AMERICANS: EVERYONE GO TO CANADA IMMEDIATELY. THANK YOU. [07:37] <@GhostDog> Hey, when this next guy comes in, everyone act normal, ok? [07:37] *** ash` (biafra@f426cc72.6ca6d900.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [07:37] Dan Rather said "orgy" [07:37] Hi Vic. [07:37] dude [07:37] vic [07:37] holy shit [07:37] dude [07:37] *** Bleech_ changes topic to ' MY FELLOW AMERICANS: EVERYONE GO TO CANADA IMMEDIATELY. THANK YOU.' [07:37] WHAT IS THE ORGY, KENNETH? [07:37] We're actually close enough to do that [07:37] AND YOU WERE LAUGHING AT ME. HA! [07:37] i was just telling sarah that there is going to be hell to pay [07:37] I'm all in favor of dropping the guy with the tactical nuke on his back into whatever country did this [07:37] I bet border crossings are hell right now [07:37] :| [07:37] We're living in the end times. [07:37] yes [07:37] Yeah. To what Christy said, I mean. [07:38] Countries dont do this. INdividuals and government officials of foreign countries do this. [07:38] i was just wondering what kind of hell to pay [07:38] yes [07:38] OBL? [07:38] I'm afraid of what a president like Bush will do to this [07:38] some Palestinian fruitcake? [07:38] He is the wrong man for this situation [07:38] War. Full-fucking-scale war. [07:38] we need REAGAN [07:38] Yeah, that's what I said to Rob. This will probably result in a war [07:38] *** salome (salome@7f2fc0fa.041.a88f223.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [07:38] it might. hopefully not. [07:38] what a time to have a shitty President, eh? [07:38] but it might. [07:38] come ON goddamned CBC, tell me if flights are taking off here! [07:38] hi, sarah. [07:39] I dont know that he's the wrong man for this. [07:39] God. I bet you can see this from Red Bank [07:39] I think he or Clinton OR Gore would probably know how to do this. [07:39] if there were say, 50,000 in that center, and up to 10,000 died or so [07:39] er, deal with this. [07:39] who knows>? [07:39] [salome:#jiggyweek PING] [07:39] hello everyone [07:39] new hijacked plane coming into Washington [07:39] ! [07:39] !!! [07:39] who's watching what? [07:39] <-- CNN [07:39] CNN [07:40] Brett says Howard Stern says so anyway. [07:40] new hijacked plane coming into Washington <--haven't heard this yet [07:40] US airforce, Matt. [07:40] holy fuck [07:40] He's apparently WABC's correspondence [07:40] That's what Fox says ATM. [07:40] this is a joke, right? [07:40] HOWARD STERN AND FOX NEWS DO NOT COUNT [07:40] Part of the Pentagon collapsed. [07:40] yeah, saw that [07:40] I'm surfing between FOX, CNN and CBC [07:40] watched the world trade center fall in on itself earlier. what a wonderful way to start the day. [07:41] Fuck this conference call shit, I'm gonna loot. [07:41] Yeah, Fox says another plane is enroute to Washington [07:41] ha [07:41] loot WHAT? arizona? [07:41] Another plane crash in Western Pennsilvania [07:41] I'm glad April doesn't live near DC anymore! [07:41] no shit [07:41] Yeah, really. [07:41] God, there were people on these planes ? [07:41] who reported that Jerome? [07:41] 80 miles south of Pittsburg [07:41] matt - i was wondering the exact same thing [07:41] FOX [07:42] they don't know if it's related, though. [07:42] I dunno why I can't stop thinking about the fact that these were COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS [07:42] i wonder if i can connect to NPR with my shitty connection... [07:42] yeah [07:42] that's the diabolical part of it [07:42] God how horrifying did that have to be [07:42] CBC is five minutes late [07:43] But it's also reporting the PN crash. [07:43] god, the net is WAY lagged [07:43] I need to reboot [07:43] BRB [07:43] *** AcousticSavant (sdfggz@14055af1.14055af7.205.232.imsk) Quit (Quit: helpt kinderen in nood) [07:43] the world trade center is the only story of it;s kind on Yahoo [07:43] "That may be the plane Brian Wilson spoke of". I must be dreaming [07:43] ?!?!?!? [07:43] Vic - It's also only two lines [07:43] Canadian military is on alert, all pilots are being called. [07:43] God, stop showing the collapse over and over [07:43] you goddamn vultures [07:44] Jesus Christ. NPR is talking hijacked plane headed to DC or Virginia [07:45] UGH HOWARD STERN [07:45] NEVERMIND [07:45] ok, now NPR [07:45] 2 planes? One for each tower? [07:45] God [07:45] my god [07:45] TABARNAC TELL ME. Guh. [07:45] 'Day of TERROR' logos for Fox [07:45] Vic - 3, I believe [07:45] Fox must die [07:46] <@GhostDog> My name is Ghostdog, and my anti-drug is SEX. [07:46] *** AcousticSavant (sdfggz@14055af1.14055af7.205.232.imsk) has joined #jiggyweek [07:46] <@GhostDog> FREE MISTER WAYNE KIEDAISCH [07:46] [AcousticSavant SOUND] [07:46] Matt: the 3rd plane crashed into the Pentagon... only 2 planes hti the WTC [07:46] heh [07:46] what's this about brian wilson?????? [07:46] Sorry 'bout the wav [07:46] BRIAN WILSON BOMBS PENTAGON, NPR just said [07:46] Um. [07:46] Not funny, Vic. Not funny. [07:46] there have been 4 explosions at the WTC, though. [07:46] Sarah - Then why was the other tower smoking when they showed the plane ramming into it ? [07:47] they have footage of this? [07:47] Yes [07:47] i haven't seen any video of it, i've only heard that one plane hit one tower, then only a few minutes later the 2nd plane hit the other. [07:47] The ground footage is unbearable [07:47] You see the plane enter from stage right [07:47] Huge explosion and then the collapse [07:47] You can see plane bits fly out from the explosion [07:47] This is one of those "everybody remembers what they were doing on the day that ______" days. [07:48] jesue [07:48] yeah [07:48] FINALLY Canadian reactions. [07:48] [10:42] I dunno why I can't stop thinking about the fact that these were COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS <-- i was thinking about this earlier... how terrifying this must have been for those people on board. [07:48] the first i heard of it is i overheard someone mention it in the hallway at school on my way out. [07:48] I was just getting warmed up to the idea of flying somewhere.......I dunno if I ever could now. [07:49] Planes get hijacked, but why this big organized thing on this particular day? [07:49] CHRÉTIEN IS OFFERING ANY ASSITANCE NEEDED. HA HA HA. This is ridiculous, though necessary. [07:49] no kidding [07:49] My dad called and woke me up [07:49] vic just said "We should sic Jack McCoy on these guys." [07:49] that's the first thing i asked Sarah, Keith -- "What day is this?" [07:49] God, Air Force One is in it's nuclear attack plan [07:49] That's what I asked. Is this the anniversary of something? [07:49] but i dunno what 9/11 means, if anything [07:49] constantly airborne [07:50] yeah, Keith, i don't understand the significance of this day, but perhaps there really is none. [07:50] Special security might be deployed around Parliament Hill. [07:50] phone correspondent on MSNBC just burst into tears [07:50] prolly a good idea. it's hard to ram a moving target. [07:50] Yahoo News is bogged down to shit. [07:50] A large plane crashed (boeing 767) 80 miles southeast of Pittsburgh. Around 10 am. [07:50] I'm considering driving out to the gate of Fort Bragg to see if they've barricaded the gates yet [07:51] God, if Rafe was still in the Army his ass would be on the green ramp right now [07:51] SHIT! They just showed the 2nd plane on the WTC [07:51] did they? [07:51] On CBC [07:51] i don't know if i WANT to see that [07:51] * ash` shudders [07:51] an ambulance just exploded [07:52] from what? [07:52] no clue [07:52] As much of a peacenik I've been turning into lately [07:52] I'm suddenly all in favor of bombing these fucks to the stone age [07:52] I'm really scared, you guys. [07:52] Why hasn't the state of emergency been declared yet? [07:53] Christy :( [07:53] Jerome - Because it's a bureacratic thing and frankly no one has the time [07:53] Christy - Join the club [07:53] Christy -- if it helps at all, none of us live in what one would consider "symbolic" areas. [07:53] *** salome (salome@7f2fc0fa.041.a88f223.net.hmsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [07:54] well, I'm afraid this will be the start of WWIII. [07:54] I live on the border of the largest military reservation on the east coast, home to the 5th and 7th Special Forces groups who are exactly the ones who deal with terrorist ragheads [07:54] The plane on the Pentagon crashed into the ground and then skidded into the Pentagon. [07:54] Hence, I can't be 100% sure something won't happen there [07:54] *sigh* i have to admit...watching the World Trade Center burn, the thought crossed my mind, christy [07:54] Ft Knox could get hit, it holds the nation's federal reserve [07:54] I think for it to be WWIII it would have to be a large and powerful nation attacking us, not Mid-Eastern terrorists (if it in fact is that) [07:54] God, I wonder what economic impact this will have [07:54] I live in fucking Ottawa. The *only* target in Canada. And I study and work ten minutes away from Parliament Hill. But luckily, this is Canada. [07:55] Matt -- R word [07:55] hardcore [07:55] R? [07:55] Yeah, these are fucking, like, ragheads dug in like ticks in the desert somewhere [07:55] recession, jerome [07:55] i can't imagine this day sparking an economic recovery [07:55] I'm Keith [07:55] oh [07:55] hi keith [07:56] i'm still waking up [07:56] heh heh [07:56] Heh [07:56] Yeah, I know about recession. [07:56] Actually, no. They'll have to rebuild. [07:56] i hope they do rebuild [07:56] prolly depends [07:56] That might just give a spring to the economy. Two huge buildings to rebuild, man. [07:56] They'll have to build *something*. [07:56] I don't hope they rebuild the towers as they were [07:56] That would be stupid [07:57] yes. make them taller. and thinner. [07:57] * AcousticSavant drinking vodka [07:57] Heh [07:57] damn it! i want a drink! [07:57] Israel closed and evacuated ALL of its ambassies ALL around the world. [07:57] With a large "bulls-eye" design on them [07:57] God, this is WORSE than Pearl Harbor when you consider that 50,000 people work at the World Trade Center [07:57] i have to work in 3 hours. this is going to be a long day. [07:57] I should call my parents or something [07:58] yeah, you should, keith [07:58] cept they're at work [07:58] Oh FUCK [07:58] ? [07:58] This is an assault on all of you personally, who are Americans. [07:58] That plane hit the side ACROSS from the camera [07:58] Remember this. [07:58] I think I have my mother's number, if it hasn't changed [07:58] This is a direct assault on you. [07:58] On your feeling of safety. [07:58] SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT [07:58] my dad says we should bomb all Middle Eastern capitols. [07:58] Of course. [07:58] Quag - direct hit, then [07:58] As are thousands of other idiot Americans right now. [07:59] heh [07:59] What should we do? [07:59] Stay out of major cities and wait for the word come out as to what exactly happened and why. [07:59] They're closing the Canadian airports, and my dad is stuck in Pearson in Toronto. [07:59] then, find the guilty party and barbecue their ass [07:59] dammit [08:00] Well, worse places to be stuck than Toronto. [08:00] *** salome (salome@7f2fc11b.041.a88f223.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [08:00] yep [08:00] New York [08:00] America *has* made a target of itself [08:00] As I recall, Toronto is a relatively nice airport, I've connected there on the way to Winnipeg several times. [08:00] God, I'm just happy he's not in the army anymore. [08:00] Yes, but who is America? [08:00] all bridges and tunnels are closed. what a fucking nightmare. [08:00] Oh, well, he's still in the reserve. [08:00] America is, me and you? Our government? Our leaders? All of us? Thats the question. [08:00] back [08:00] Quag: do you and I make targets of ourselves? [08:00] the plane hit on the FAR SIDE of the tower in that shot and the fireball came shooting out [08:01] the near side [08:01] Quag - one and all [08:01] my dad (who is a district manager for the trucking division of Emerson Electric) says most of their shipping has been shut down. [08:01] We do, so a lot of people in the world say, by electing the leaders we do, who do things around the world that they do. [08:01] That is the logic of terrorism. [08:01] yep [08:01] If America is a government of for and by the people - then all Americans must be held responsible for the actions of their government. [08:01] So goes their logic. [08:01] I don't agree. [08:01] They perceive us as endorsing everything the government does, then [08:01] They're evacuating *Washington* [08:02] American Airlines Fligh 11 hijacked out of Boston was one of the WTC flights [08:02] jesus [08:02] Well hey, I authorize my government to nuke the bastards, personally [08:02] God [08:02] that's awful [08:02] Yes, or at least being responsible for it. We put the gun in the hand of the spoiled child that is our government [08:02] showing film of the Pentagon evacuation [08:02] Looks like a Mormon convention [08:02] No one should get nuked because only individuals are responsible for this. [08:02] Not entire nations. [08:02] nope [08:02] Bombing another country and killing innocents is buying into their twisted logic. [08:02] just the responsible parties [08:02] yeah, Jerome, isn't that frightening? that they're evacuating our CAPITOL? [08:02] with little nukes [08:02] heh [08:02] yeah [08:02] The individual people who are responsible for this need to pay. But America should be measured in their actions and response. [08:02] Personal nukes with a three-foot radius [08:03] More than the capitol, every national monument [08:03] absolutely, Quag [08:03] and every Federal building. [08:03] I imagine DC is in major chaos, since this would probably shut down or jam Arland Williams bridge and the subways into Virginia [08:03] my dad warned me to not go to work if my office building was near a Federal building. [08:03] And if you hear anyone being a jackass about any group of people, they need immediate correction. [08:03] * ash` nods [08:04] Individualism MUST prevail. [08:04] In a way it makes me feel unsafe, like if no one at all is in the White House or so forth, that we are actually temporarily without a government and the country doesn't actually exist [08:04] VH1 has switched to news [08:04] AF1, Keith [08:04] Just showed a cop covered in ash puking on the sidewalk [08:04] Individuals only must be blamed and punished. This is crucial. Its our worldview vs. theirs and ours is and always has been superior. [08:04] Rob says that the military now has instructions to shoot down any non-military aircraft in the air. [08:04] AF1? [08:04] Whoever "theirs" is. [08:04] Who would kill innocent people to make a political point. [08:04] Air Force One [08:04] government can carry on from there [08:05] world financial market shut down [08:05] Matt - HAW. Flip to MTV for the flipside of VH1. [08:05] Right, I know, I was merely describing my initial emotional reaction to the evacuation [08:05] yeah, lots of military and government personnel in the WTC, boy howdy, what an essential target [08:05] flipping from the WTC to Jay-Z made me wanna puke, heh [08:05] Its the industrial arm of the military-industrial complex. [08:05] This definitely makes me less concerned about the Fritz Hollings bill atm [08:05] It makes sense. [08:06] Military (Pentagon) <---> Industrial (WTC) [08:06] yes [08:06] heh [08:06] God...solid line of fire trucks on a NYC street, ash so deep it looks like snow [08:06] * ash` nods [08:06] they tried it earlier, with that carbomb. guess they found a better way. [08:06] God....all the initial emergency responders would have been wiped out in the collapses too :( [08:07] the scale of this is unvelievable. [08:07] God it looks like snow on VH1 [08:07] Why are these assholes trying to interview firefighters ? [08:07] i'm just wondering who is responsible... Osama Bin Laden? does he have the organization to pull *all* of this off today? [08:07] GAH [08:07] get out of the fucking way and let the firefighters do their job [08:07] that is the question of the hour, sarah [08:07] who is Osama Bin Laden? [08:08] (sorry if I sound ignorant this morning) [08:08] US Publie Enemy #1 [08:08] Public [08:08] i doubt the Democratic Liberation of Palestine is responsible. [08:08] Christy: yeah, he's the World's #1 terrorist. [08:08] he has a jihad against the US. [08:08] ALL of the US [08:08] he's the guy they think organized a lot of bombings over the last decade [08:08] God, must have been like an earthquake in Manhattan [08:08] They blame him for everything and he's never responsible. [08:08] rich guy with lots of money and influence [08:08] Accorsding to a recent report, he's not nearly as influential as people think he is. [08:08] Maybe he did do this. [08:08] hm [08:08] he has said that he doesn't see a distinction between military personnel and civilians... we are all part of the great evil. [08:08] I thought he WAS responsible for the '98 embassy bombings ? [08:08] But I think he's an easy bogeyman to blame. [08:09] Well, what do you think, Quag? As they said, this is an awfully coordinated strike. [08:09] They keep saying "planes crashed" on the captions on the screen, as if they can avoid panic by not using the word "bombing" [08:09] Yeah, this is way too coordinated for a little diddlyshit group like the ones who bombed the USS Cole [08:09] God [08:10] Plane just crashed near Camp David [08:10] Text of corporate e-mail from division head: "You all know the news thats happening. If you need me, call my office. If any of you needs to get with family, please do so. For the rest of us, we need to keep our network up and running so that our customers can contact their family and friends as well." [08:10] what?! [08:10] "...We have a call at 11:30 to discuss emergency centyer plans. Please pray for all." [08:10] :( [08:10] from my company. [08:10] Well, at least there can't *really* be a war. Because it's not an actualy country who attacked the US [08:10] ...unless someone does something stupid [08:10] My mom's friend just called claiming they "shut down the internet" [08:10] Okay [08:11] right, but these isolated bombings can continue ad nauseum until we put a stop to it. [08:11] well, the internet is extremely fucked up right now. [08:11] oooh [08:11] Oh my god! They just completely shut down the laws of physics! [08:11] Then we're apparently imagining this irc chat [08:11] all news sites are oversaturated with traffic. [08:11] Heh [08:11] LOL QUAG [08:11] Another plane in the air....they've scrambled fighters [08:11] *** TheJerome changes topic to ' MY FELLOW AMERICANS: EVERYONE GO TO CANADA IMMEDIATELY. THANK YOU. | Oh my god! They just completely shut down the laws of physics!' [08:11] fuck you all, then. i'm flyyyyyying to work. ;) [08:11] Should I try calling my mother? [08:11] I think I will [08:11] Ben Laden warned three weeks ago that something like this would happen. [08:11] Try calling her at work, Keith [08:11] God [08:11] Everyone say hello to your future selves, because this will probably be the most interesting IRC log I've kept this year. [08:11] You know [08:11] I'm logging as well. [08:12] For years they've talked about the "big one" of terrorist attacks coming [08:12] Maft -- eesh, what do you do in a situation like that? [08:12] Oh, the DFLP did NOT after all claim this. [08:12] Or should I stay off the phones to keep them clear for anyone who has a more urgent need to use them? [08:12] Anyone ever in their wildest dreams imagine it would be like THIS ? [08:12] Hi, ash! GodDAMN you look good this morning. [08:12] Then again, I'm *on* the phone, what am I saying [08:13] there seems to be another plane near the Pentagon [08:13] right, Keith. [08:13] I'd say call your mom. [08:13] Vic - situation like that, you shoot it down :( [08:13] Full commercial airliner or not, those passengers have a death sentence [08:13] there is a plane in the air now, hijacked? [08:13] yeah, i'd think along similar lines [08:13] rumor has it [08:13] Jesus. [08:13] Anniversary of the Camp David Accords [08:13] which means what? [08:13] I don't have her business card anymore [08:14] Wow no shit [08:14] hang on, Keith, I'll see if I can find contact info on the UB website. [08:14] Camp David Accords was when Egypt and Israel made peace with each other. [08:14] Is that it, Matt? [08:14] In the 70s. [08:14] yeah, so the station VH1 is simulcasting says [08:14] no kidding! [08:14] holy shit [08:14] Channel 2 CBS...I imagine it's the NYC CBS affiliate [08:14] Yeah, Egypt being the only country to officially recognize and be at peace with Israel in the Middle east (though Jordan de facto is as well) [08:14] !!!!!!!!! possible hijack over Toledo !!!!!!!!!! [08:14] wtF? [08:14] SHIT. Again. Control has been lost over one or more planes! [08:15] *** Kevan (cuthulu@b23a8964.sport.14056255.com.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [08:15] Hi Kev [08:15] Hey Kevan [08:15] keep it in perspective [08:15] sure it's bad [08:15] but [08:15] MICHAEL JACKSON HAS TWO CHILDREN [08:15] *snicker* [08:15] meanie [08:15] Thank you for the insight [08:15] hi kevan [08:15] That is very true. [08:15] God, more street-level footage from NYC. People turning tail and running when the second explosion happens [08:15] hi [08:15] they're talking to the local palestinians on NPR [08:15] president dumbass is on the radio now [08:16] I'm waiting to loot. [08:16] The street footage is difficult to watch, isn't it? [08:16] yes [08:16] Oh shit. The US flag has been taken down at the US consulate in Quebec City. [08:16] i can't watch the news anymore [08:16] My mom just emailed me, hysterical. She can't call me because all phones going into NY from there are dead [08:16] i saw enough [08:16] IDK about the ambassy here, but that might make things difficult for me to get to class. [08:16] all the lines are occupied [08:16] if there's a nuclear war, y'all can be in my post apocaluptic band of marauding nomads [08:16] I aint doin no perverted shit [08:16] hahaha [08:16] I am gonna represent for vanilla individuals in the New World. [08:16] I CALL LIEUTENANT [08:16] colleges in Cleveland have been closed. [08:17] Oh look the towers are back up again [08:17] Star 104 is broadcasting the audio from CNN [08:17] Whoop, there they go again [08:17] oklahoma university is demanding all students show id before entering campus [08:17] keith!!!!! [08:17] OKS is freaking out in general [08:17] bad!!!! [08:17] Keith: LOL [08:17] OKC [08:17] Well that's what keeps happening to my brain every time they re-show it! [08:17] heh heh [08:17] Maybe it was the triumphant return of Baader Meinhof: BAADER MEINHOF DOES MANHATTAN [08:18] THANKS TO THE TECHNOLOGY OF VIDEO TAPE, WE CAN INSTANTLY PUT THE TOWERS BACK UP [08:18] *snicker* [08:18] or the SLA [08:18] gone big-time [08:18] don't need a WEATHERMAN to tell which way the wind blows [08:18] Yeah clearly [08:18] I'm gonna try calling my mother, bbiab [08:18] oh shit [08:18] Maybe the WU blew themselves up accidentally again [08:18] By the grace of God almighty. And the technologies of the marketplace.. The World Trade Center has rebuilt. Itself. [08:18] i need to clean my guns [08:18] and i think my shotgun needs repair [08:18] crap [08:19] I'm considering putting ATD on, actually, Vic [08:19] Dont shoot me, I'm a kind and considerate looter. [08:19] heh [08:19] *** AcousticSavant (sdfggz@14055af1.14055af7.205.232.imsk) Quit (Quit: helpt kinderen in nood) [08:19] Quag -- and what does the kind and considerate looter loot? [08:19] Cleveland is shutting down. [08:19] Vic: Tap water. [08:19] i'm gonna go ride downtown and check on the federal building [08:19] Vic - for real ? [08:19] All local buildings, malls, etc. [08:19] i bet i get hassled [08:20] Yep. [08:20] later [08:20] *** Kevan (cuthulu@b23a8964.sport.14056255.com.hmsk) Quit (Quit: Kevan) [08:20] I imagine every major city on the eastern seaboard is following suit [08:20] Matt -- Mayor just called for everyone to stay away from the Airport [08:20] prolly [08:20] The talibans will hold a press conference in a few minutes. [08:20] See ? Being in the sticks does have it's advantages :P [08:20] heh [08:20] Fuck the Taliban up the ass with a goddamn pineapple [08:21] They've always been shitheads [08:21] I want to go home. [08:21] I hope my mom got my email. She sent me a really hysterical email wanting to know how far away I am from NYC. [08:22] I would like to have heard the police band in manhattan [08:22] I mean, how the hell do you come on the air with that ? Not exactly a 10 code for that [08:23] and to think I didn't answer the phone because I thought "fuck you, nothing's important enough to wake me up for" [08:23] 156 people in the United Airlines planes. [08:23] i don't wanna go to work [08:23] I don't wanna go to class. [08:23] jerome -- :( [08:23] FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUTS DOWN RECORD DEN [08:24] <@GhostDog> My name is Ghostdog, and my anti-drug is SEX. [08:24] *** AcousticSavant (sdfggz@14055b2d.14055af7.205.232.imsk) has joined #jiggyweek [08:24] Jerome - Skip it. I have for disaster [08:24] [AcousticSavant SOUND] [08:24] *** TheJerome changes topic to ' MY FELLOW AMERICANS: EVERYONE GO TO CANADA IMMEDIATELY. THANK YOU. | FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUTS DOWN RECORD DEN' [08:24] They were LOCAL ones mind you, but still [08:24] Again, sorry for the wav [08:24] HA HA... this just in from the British youth: [08:24] Fuck me it's the end of the world!!! [08:24] America is going up in smoke! [08:24] heh [08:24] damn brits [08:24] I think this whole situation raises an interesting point [08:24] how long is it gonna take to clean up, anyway ? [08:24] Life will continue as scheduled, tomorrow. There are Big Macs to make. [08:24] A few weeks probably to clean up [08:25] i could go for a Filet O' Fish myself [08:25] Oh, good. My dad just arrived in Canada. [08:25] Ottawa, I mean. [08:25] That we are desensitized to terrorism as something that happens on the other side of the planet [08:25] I dont think we've been all that desensitized for some time though [08:25] I can't believe Yahoo's initial story was just two lines [08:25] Not since the first WTC bombing then OK City [08:25] Bleech: they may have been in a hurry to upload it [08:25] 156 people in the United Airlines planes. <-- United just said they "lost" 2 flights with this many people. [08:26] Keith: i can't say that i am desensitized to this... i'm rather shaken. [08:26] I think what it does bring to light is that our foreign policy and those things are government does around the world that no one cares about, has consequences we all may wind up paying for. [08:26] * ash` nods [08:26] No, I don't mean we're desensitized to *this* [08:26] I mean, we wouldn't react like this if it was at a safer distance [08:27] Yeah like the embassy bombings [08:27] I wouldn't want to be Bush right now [08:27] overseas [08:27] the bravery of being out of, erm.. [08:27] yeah. [08:27] I mean, what the hell do you SAY, much less what do you DO ? [08:27] heh heh [08:27] they *just* lost those planes, or overall? [08:27] I wouldn't want to be anyone who knows anyone in NY right now [08:27] *I*, maybe only I'm guilty of it, but I tend to ignore the world news, and when they say blah blah blah the palestinians this, the arabs that, I think "business as usual" [08:27] Jerome - that's all they said [08:28] well, Pat Buchanan accused congress of being "Israeli Occupied Territory" [08:28] I dont think "business as usual" because we're involved. If we werent, I'd probably think that. [08:28] and here's the result of that [08:28] Keith: i have started to think of Middle Eastern problems that way... they've *always* got some atrocity going on, it's hard to get worked up over each one. [08:28] I mean normally, not now [08:28] rightly or wrongfully [08:28] Yeah [08:28] There are as many good arguments for our support of Israel as against it. I dont think there's any easy answer about that. [08:28] Because Israel deals with this shit every week [08:28] Former Commander of NATO is on CNN [08:29] carbombing at the state department is confirmed [08:29] Right, that's what I'm saying, that I shut this kind of stuff out when it's far away, but shit, it's coming this way now, and I have to cope with it for real [08:29] MSNBC said there was a fire on the National Mall [08:29] I have an aunt and uncle who live in DC and travel to NYC a lot [08:29] Well yeah, I mean, the laws of physics have been suspended. [08:29] I have no idea where they happen to be today [08:30] Actually, an aunt, uncle, and uncle's gay lover [08:30] jesus. sounds like they've declared war on the FAA. [08:30] did you call your mom, Keith? [08:30] My dad said to be prepared for this stuff to go on for a while... he's not an expert, but i fear he may be right. [08:30] Christy: I left a message, but she's often with a student and unable to answer the phone. [08:30] oh, the shock waves from this won't be gone for weeks [08:30] months' [08:30] I doubt UB would have been evacuated or anything [08:31] I mean, God bless the world for not giving a shit about Buffalo [08:31] yeah. [08:31] and Cleveland [08:31] The good thing about suicide missions, is that each person can only perform one. [08:31] 'tho they are shutting the city down as I type [08:31] I'm a little worried about Fort Knox. [08:31] wow. no concerts tonight, either. [08:31] didn't they say that Tower City had an affiliate of the WTC in it? [08:32] well, I'm leaving for class, with a walkman for news. [08:32] *** TheJerome (yrm@4b7eb7f4.b36c26e4.ca.hmsk) Quit (Quit: HAVE A GOOD TIME! ENJOY YOURSELVES!) [08:32] this could be a busy day after all, huh. [08:32] I feel guilty that I fantasized about bombing the government if Fritz Hollings's bill passed [08:33] I wouldn't actually *DO* that [08:33] of course you wouldn't. [08:33] It's the government/laws themselves that you want to kill, not innocent secretaries, families, workers, etc [08:33] Keith [08:34] But I would definitely put leeches in Mr. Hollings's underwear [08:34] Now is NOT the time to set off Echelon/Carnivore [08:34] heh [08:34] Heh, good point [08:34] by government of course I mean the structure of the government, not people [08:34] To: "Beefylistorama" [08:34] Subject: [beefylistorama]HOLY FUCK [08:34] From: "Andy @ beefyogurt.com" [08:34] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:19:42 -0400 [08:34] News from the radio: [08:34] two planes just crashed into both world trade center towers. Here we go. [08:34] Andy [08:34] Don't feel guilty, Keith. You've never hurt anybody in your life [08:35] "President Bush denounces attacks, pledges to get those responsible" [08:35] Right, sure [08:35] Well, I know what it feels like to become irrationally overcome with anger [08:35] Subject: webcam on the pentagon fire [08:35] From: "Tucker, Mike (Contr)" [08:35] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:15:54 -0700 [08:35] http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/920/1m/www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmed [08:35] ia/webcams/eyeondc.htm [08:35] "President Bush cheers, eats cake; says "i'll let 'im off with a warning ticket this time" would be news [08:35] http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/920/1m/www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/webcams/eyeondc.htm rather [08:35] And sometimes brief, sick thoughts stem from that, but only very very briefly. [08:36] Thing is, though, we might actually know or have met people that would have the right kind of mindset to do something like this, if they had the resources to. [08:36] Kissel. [08:37] one of my friends on LJ posted this... [08:37] FBI says: 8 planes hijacked, 5 still in the air? [08:37] this is scary, the reporter on CNN ... his voice is wavering... not reasuring at all.. [08:37] he's asking for help... he doenst know what to say anymore.... [08:37] Gawd, Charlie must be having an interesting day at work :P [08:37] He lives within sight of the Pentagon and works at the Library of Congress [08:37] I met a guy late at night when I was working at an Atlantic gas station who said very emphatically that he would never hurt an animal, but would gladly kill a person [08:38] i still like this post... [08:38] Fuck me it's the end of the world!!! [08:38] America is going up in smoke! [08:38] that had to have been reassuring [08:38] *** Nully (fydyan@6ca61224.com.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [08:38] And oddly enough, I was having a dream about Charlie when the phone rang [08:38] <@GhostDog> FREE MISS SHANIA TWAIN [08:38] hey Nully [08:38] Hi [08:38] SHANIA TWAIN IS A HOSTAGE?!?! [08:38] Mail is here [08:38] are they shutting down your Uni, Nully? [08:38] The US postal service [08:38] NOW THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR. [08:38] Rain, sleet, snow, hail, or mass terrorism [08:38] BASTARDS!!!! [08:38] The postal service just came by here [08:38] The US Mail makes it through [08:38] I spoke to my grandmother. Everyone in my family is accounted for, except for my aunt who works in midtown Manhattan [08:39] As far as I know, we're still open [08:39] midtown Manhattan is a clusterfuck, trafficwise :( [08:39] Boston to LA flight is MIA [08:39] Christ almighty. [08:39] BRB [08:39] oh, that's right! i forgot your family lives in NYC... i'm sorry, Nully. i hope she's ok. [08:39] the only way out is through NY/ CN [08:39] :( [08:39] Ha, Time Magazine didn't make it in time for this issue [08:39] Next one, thoguh [08:39] though [08:39] jeez, Keith. heh. [08:40] Sarah: Thanks. I don't know about extended family... and I know people who worked in the Trade center [08:40] Cover story: "IS THIS MAN THE NEXT BILLY GRAHAM?" [08:40] I bet it won't get read much [08:40] who? Scott Stapp? [08:40] T.D. Jakes [08:40] Poor T.D. [08:40] His big article comes out, and this. [08:40] New York communications are fux0r3d [08:40] no cable, i guess [08:40] phones are fucked up [08:41] yeah. [08:41] Well, the communications center for lower manhattan was on the top of the world trade center [08:41] even in WNY [08:41] Keith - yeah, the second biggest story in Yahoo is Michael Jordan's return to basketball. bad bad timing. [08:42] Heh [08:42] you know, when i woke up this morning I was REALLY REALLY excited about my date tonight [08:42] now i just feel sick [08:42] yeah [08:42] i slept horribly [08:43] I'm trying to figure out if i should cancel my trip. [08:43] I'm supposed to go to NY this week [08:43] i would, Nully. [08:43] Nully, as a former New Yorker, how hard is it to imagine NYC without the towers ? [08:43] Yeah. [08:44] at least until you find out what else is going to go on this week. [08:44] man, this kind of thing makes for iffy newscasting...everyone is running around with their heads cut off...lots of unconfirmed reports [08:44] you'll be lucky if you can fly there. [08:44] reminds me of the Gulf War a bit [08:44] They keep saying "plumes of smoke rise". Gah. [08:44] *snicker* [08:45] stop making me laugh, damn it! [08:45] brb [08:45] I'm just waiting for them to add "merge into a leaden sky" [08:45] My sister is telling me on the phone that she's watching this from her front porch [08:45] nj? [08:45] She's damn near hysterical. [08:45] Wow. [08:45] :( [08:45] Yeah, in Sea Bright, on the ocean. [08:46] god, this is almost too much to take in. [08:47] I agree with Quag that life will go on tomorrow, B.A.U. [08:47] it has to [08:47] bbiam [08:47] *** ash` is now known as ash`afk [08:48] OK, her father in law is safe [08:48] He was assigned to Brooklyn today [08:51] they just closed the university, but i'm not sure if i can go home yet [08:51] "This is unedited tape, so it's kinda raw, so bear with us" [08:52] The best response for this would be for America NOT to shut down and for people to force themselves on living life as usual. [08:52] Every business that closes down is another victory for these jackoffs. [08:52] True, but the way you phrased it earlier was more contemptuous [08:52] "They gotta have their McBurgers" or whatever [08:53] heh [08:53] Yeah Big Macs to be made. [08:53] My mom is emailing me wanting to know if I can go home [08:53] from work [08:53] Tom Clancy on CNN [08:53] I emailed my mother at work [08:53] I don't think she wants me in a big building [08:53] that's good, Keith. [08:53] Thats a bit paranoid [08:53] But understandable Im sure. [08:54] Well, to my mom, Rochester is a big city. [08:54] I can understand her worry, but I doubt they know where Rochester isl. [08:54] is. [08:54] also she didn't know how far away I was from NYC. [08:54] I sent her a long email telling her to not worry and that I'm safe. [08:54] You're at least 6 hours away [08:54] yeah. [08:54] Clancy is talking about religious tolerance [08:54] And not taking this out on anyone [08:54] Good. [08:54] Yes, that's good [08:55] Who Clancy ? [08:55] Tom Clancy ? [08:55] Yeah [08:55] Tom Clancy is calling into CNN [08:55] Theyre talking to him. [08:56] He's saying smart things. [08:56] aah [08:56] Tom Clancy should be some kind of government official [08:56] He is brought on in an advisory capacity. [08:56] Officially. [08:56] He knows more about the military and world politics than most people in the Pentagon [08:56] yes, he's talking intelligently [08:56] he is ? [08:56] Like, always or just now ? [08:56] did they just say that ANOTHER plane went down> [08:56] Well, usually, but right now especially, which is good. [08:57] WHAT? [08:57] Quag - Dunny you mention NJ, since it occurred to me that you can probably see this from there [08:57] As far as I know, 4 planes so far have gone down [08:57] Funny, even [08:57] I'm not hearing of another plane atm [08:57] The thought crossed my mind [08:57] Yeah, my sister is watching it from her front porch. [08:57] I have to go now [08:57] bye [08:57] *** Nully (fydyan@6ca61224.com.hmsk) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [08:58] Brett's sister was rerouted to Providence. Bet he's breathing easier [08:58] Subject: [08:58] RE: Hi . . . [08:58] Date: [08:58] Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:58:03 -0400 [08:58] From: [08:58] "Handy, Sandra" [08:58] To: [08:58] "'Keith Handy'" [08:58] Hi Honey - I was so glad to hear from you. I've left a message on your [08:58] voice mail & on your pager. I'm extremely worried about Brad & Charles and [08:58] just about immobilized. I've tried calling them, but it's futile. Respond [08:58] heh. Sandy Handy [08:58] to this as soon as you get it. I love you. [08:59] * Bleech_ is waiting for the declaration of Martial Law [08:59] I'm glad she wrote you back [08:59] I imagine that would be a near-certainty in NYC at least [08:59] you shouldu put the pager on music instead of vibe [09:00] Quag - Mexican border sealed [09:01] did Bush just say "...the folks that committed this act/" [09:01] he mispronounced FUCKS [09:01] nothing wrong with saying "folks" [09:01] heh [09:01] wait, he did ? [09:01] heh [09:01] the Mayor of NYC has asked everyone that has any dealings below Canal Street to evacuate. [09:01] no, he said "folks" :) [09:02] I'm gonna try calling my mother again, brb [09:02] *** AcousticSavant (sdfggz@14055b2d.14055af7.205.232.imsk) Quit (Quit: helpt kinderen in nood) [09:02] Sarah - You're shitting me [09:03] As far as I know, 4 planes so far have gone down <-- ok, 4 planes. 2 in NY one in DC, one in PA, right? [09:03] yeah [09:03] According to CBS [09:03] Fed Reserve is open and operating [09:03] Wait tho [09:03] CBS said the towers were hit minutes apart [09:04] 18 [09:04] that's what CNN said [09:04] A later shot showed a plane hitting the already-flaming tower [09:04] So that's 3, right ? [09:04] *three* hit the WTC? [09:04] the south tower collapsed an hour after they were hit, it says [09:05] 9am or so both are hit, a little after 10 the south tower is hit and collapses [09:05] * ash`afk shakes head [09:05] [12:02] Sarah - You're shitting me <-- no, NPR just reported that. [09:05] so, that's the whole southern end of Manhatten. [09:05] yes [09:06] As international flights were diverted to Canada, the Federal Aviation Authority said it had yet to account for a number of planes. [09:06] we should all just move to Canada. [09:06] no one has a jihad against *Canada* [09:06] just Matt [09:06] Actually right now I am, probably at more than any other time in my life, feeling particularly American. [09:06] heh heh [09:06] Canada cannot be trusted [09:07] i'm feeling particularly sick, myself. [09:07] Largest Unguarded Border in the world, the beady-eyed little bastards know that [09:07] Canada is just America with a better oxygen supply. [09:07] but if that counts as feeling American, then i'm with ya, Quaggie [09:07] Quag: actually, i'm quite scared. i mean, at this moment, we don't know if it's over or not. [09:07] Quag - S'Pearl Harbor syndrome, heh/ [09:07] <-- ready to sign up [09:07] This is a personal attack. [09:07] On all of us. [09:07] This is personal. [09:07] And we're all involved. [09:08] Yeah. [09:08] * ash`afk will be righteously infuriated by sundown [09:08] I'm mostly just in shock. [09:08] For three hours now, I've been in shock. [09:08] right now, i'm just sick for the families [09:08] they told Bush while he was reading to kids. Wow. [09:08] 50,000 people in the WTC alone. [09:08] what a terrible terrible day [09:08] this is on cnn.com... [09:08] The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta was evacuated. CDC was preparing bioterrorism teams in case they become necessary. [09:08] Imagine having to notify the president [09:08] I would have called him out in the hallway or something [09:08] not told him in front of kids [09:09] it was whispered to him [09:09] not screamed [09:09] I know. [09:09] :) [09:09] But still.....that's a big reaction to try to keep suppressed in front of children. [09:09] still, imagine having that job [09:09] CNN.com: NATO sent home all non-essential personnel from its Brussels, Belgium, headquarters [09:09] yeah, i'm not sure i'd have been able to keep a poker face. i wonder if he did. [09:09] Oh lord....NBC says Bush is on the "Doomsday Plane", more advanced than Air Force One [09:09] it says he turned somber, finished reading, and then left [09:10] That makes me feel better, Matt [09:10] Gentlemen, we can rebuild Air Force One. [09:10] we're dealing with doomsday [09:10] Well, this is for him personal, because it is a challenge on his ability to lead the country through this crisis. [09:10] heh [09:10] We can make it better than it was before. [09:10] better, stronger, faster than before [09:10] It is saying, "You were an optimal person to be in power, for us to do this." [09:10] So you can bet that, esp. given the fact that everyone dislikes Bush, it's personal. [09:10] Quag - Well, I'd definitely say this is what will make or break him as a president [09:10] CNN.com is two pages, Sarah says [09:10] just two [09:10] nothing else [09:10] I personally think people are unfair to Bush, but I've thought that since day one. [09:10] yeah, go to CNN.com [09:11] ditto [09:11] Quag - Well, I'd definitely say this is what will make or break him as a president <-- i agree, and i hope he's up for it. [09:11] I hope he's up for it for all our sakes [09:11] yes. [09:12] He's up for it. [09:12] He is surrounded by brilliant, effective men. [09:12] Times like this, you can't just say "I hate Bush" or whatever. You have to root for him because he's the fucking president and you're dealing with what is, not with what you'd prefer [09:12] God, that's the hub of the financial world [09:12] I'm actually more petrified for the economy [09:12] right, you can't *not* support the President when something happens to the country. [09:13] I just hope he doesn't fumble the ball. [09:13] the stock exchange has been shut down, too. [09:13] We have, contrary to people's ignorance to the contrary, never had a dumb president. Bush is no exception. Perhaps not the most qualified for the job but I don't think he's dumb. I actually think he has quite a lot of self control. I have complete confidence in him. Were Clinton still president, in this matter, I'd have complete confidence in him as well. [09:13] I'd feel alot better if, like, JFK were in office [09:13] well, you don't get elected being dumb [09:13] No, you don't. But people think they're smart by making that accusation. [09:14] my dad said his office was in chaos. [09:14] No matter what Mackie thinks, even if you "buy" the presidency you can't if you're dumb [09:14] There's going to be a special edition of the paper this afternoon. of course. [09:14] But it's ignorant. Bush is a university graduate with a lot of business epxerience, and good genes in terms of intelligence. Its one thing to disagree with the guy's politics, that's fair enough, I disagreed a lot with Clinton's, but I dont think the man is anywhere near dumb or incompetent. Nor was his father. [09:15] this is just frightening... i mean, someone crashed a fucking plane into the *Pentagon*. how fucking easy is that to do? [09:15] also a car bomb outside....what was it? [09:15] the State Department. [09:15] Our federal building downtown's been evacuated [09:15] Well the quality of people at a lot of airports - like Newark, which is where the plain that crashed in Pennsylvania took off from, is low. Newark employees resemble Ol' Dirty Bastard, quite literally. [09:15] And/or Kid Rock [09:15] *snicker* [09:16] *** Jahweh (Jahweh@bd6d1c19.stryave1.ky.283197b4.com.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [09:16] [Jahweh SOUND] [09:16] Wow, this woman just called these people "zealot terrorist pigs" and called them vermin [09:16] fuck [09:16] hey Dave [09:16] How entertaining. [09:16] Hello Dave. [09:17] America wants blood. [09:17] We don't care whose blood. [09:17] yes [09:17] I dont even want to know what Route 19, which is the major Arizona route to Mexico, is like right now. [09:17] Nobody's getting in or out. [09:17] <@GhostDog> My name is Ghostdog, and my anti-drug is SEX. [09:17] *** AcousticSavant (sdfggz@28320860.lead.dial.6ca6e86e.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [09:17] [AcousticSavant SOUND] [09:17] WHO ARE YOU? [09:17] Rochester is just dead. Nobody is calling here. We've had two calls today. There is nobody out driving. [09:17] They've contacted Pat Buchanan. He's going to build singlehandedly a huge barbed wire fence. [09:17] I apologize most profusely for my log-on script [09:17] PAPERS, PLEASE [09:17] EU spokesperson just called this an "Act of War by Madmen" [09:18] Christy: I called my mother, she's shaken up but okay [09:18] sounds like my dad, Quag. my dad was talking to me on the phone - a phone where all conversation are recorded because my dad deals with some sensitive materials - telling me how everyone in the Middle East are animals and how they should all be eradicated. [09:18] Yeah [09:18] But the EU just called Israel madmen. [09:18] Well this one isn't an American, I don't think. [09:18] Well you know, Dave. [09:18] It's a mad mad mad mad world. [09:18] Americans don't give a fuck about the world trade center. [09:18] Yeah these targets dont make sense for a militia group. [09:18] I was just talking to a Canadian co-worker about this. [09:18] The OK City building made sense. [09:18] This doesn't. [09:19] Yeah [09:19] This is foreign, or anti-globalization people. [09:19] The US would just ... [09:19] That's what I was thinking. [09:19] Left-wingers. [09:19] It could be, this time. [09:19] Odd though that seems to me. [09:19] But since when to left-wingers blow up anything? [09:19] Weather Underground. [09:19] Baader-Meinhoff [09:19] Like you said, Quag... Defense and Industry [09:19] That was 30 years ago. [09:19] Symbionese Liberation Army [09:19] Pentagon / WTC [09:19] Yeah, but there's a resurgence - great article about Joshka Fischer, Green party foreign minister in Germany, who was connected to these groups. [09:20] The WTO thing, is a spark waiting to start a prairie fire [09:20] hm [09:20] in New Republic, that artlc.e [09:20] Er, article. [09:20] Its a weird time, politically. [09:20] Taliban calls a news conference tonight? To say what? "DON'T SHOOT!!!" [09:20] News people seem more real and honest in times like these [09:20] Well, some of them [09:20] Except for those on FOX [09:20] Heh [09:21] I'm arguing with my roommates over whether it was left-wingers. [09:21] "YOU SAW A BUILDING BLOW UP! DISCUSS!! SCHNELL!!" [09:21] *** salome` (salome@7f138eb4.041.a88f223.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [09:21] *** salome (salome@7f2fc11b.041.a88f223.net.hmsk) Quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghosted. By: salome`))) [09:21] *** salome` is now known as salome [09:21] [salome:#jiggyweek PING] [09:21] "These people didn't throw a brick through the window of starbucks" [09:21] All I know is it could just as well be left-leaning anti-globalization people as it can be Islamic terrorists. [09:21] *snicker* [09:21] Yeah but it all starts somewhere. [09:21] Federal Government closes Record Den? Think my boss will buy that as an excuse? [09:22] Nice use of terrorism without an actual message, even [09:22] Tell 'em you have friends in Manhattan. [09:22] he knows i don't [09:22] are there any left-leaning anti-globalization people that are this organized, Quag? i think someone has to have some major backing in order to get this together. [09:22] Another building near the WTC is about to collapse. [09:22] ugh [09:22] My roommate is blaming Bush. [09:22] Sarah, yes. A lot of these groups have roots in international labor unions, which have historically been one way that Marxist terrorists have been funded. [09:22] There is no such person as George Bush to me right now. [09:22] Isn't the whole point of terrorism to supposedly, um, demand something specific? [09:22] There is only the President. [09:23] Dude if Robert Wyatt funded this I am gonna be PISSED [09:23] :| [09:23] No, the purpose of terorrism is to paralyze your enemy. Its not the WTC or the Pentagon; those are targeted because they're symbolic, not because anyone thinks they can destroy the US government. The attacks are meant to make everyone feel scared and vulnerable. [09:23] I think Henry Cow is behind this personally. [09:23] Or any of their incarnations. [09:24] Robert Wyatt has known ties to Henry Cow. [09:24] SEE! [09:24] Couldn't they effectively destroy the US government if they'd flown the planes into all the D.C. buildings such as the Capitol, the white house, etc? [09:24] I doubt it. [09:24] i blame MAGMA. nuke their French asses. [09:24] or lop it off at the knees, at least [09:24] Dude [09:24] Magma are fascists [09:24] SEE?!?! [09:24] Fascists aren't terrorists [09:24] These news clips are like movie scenes, without the sharpness or bright colors [09:24] Yeah but they probably would rather use the WTC wealth and Pentagon influence for their own ends rather than destroy it. [09:24] yeah [09:24] Or steady cameras [09:25] I'm trying very hard not to assume it's the Middle East. [09:25] oh. just rain on my parade, then, Dave [09:25] Look, blame Henry Cow, blame Etron Fou Leloublan, whatever, but DON'T BLAME MAGMA. [09:25] The attacks are meant to make everyone feel scared and vulnerable. <-- well, they've succeeded. [09:25] Oh, God, yes. [09:25] Taliban just said, "We want to tell the American children that the Taliban feels your pain and we hope the American courts find justice." [09:25] and don't blame A-HA either [09:25] They were FABULOUSLY successful. [09:25] Strange [09:25] Norway is a peaceful country. We have no weapons. We.... [09:25] Very fucking strange [09:25] that was The Taliban's press conference, Quag? [09:26] No [09:26] what about the american adults? [09:26] It's a preliminary statement [09:26] Statement [09:26] BBC.com is all WTC [09:26] Which could mean one of two things: [09:26] "We know you hate us but we're not bastards to that degree" or "This is what your government has been doing to our people for a long time." [09:26] hm [09:26] But I think the former [09:26] My children will be reading about this in their U.S. History books. [09:26] Yeah well like Geldof said, History never ends because it's too busy beginning [09:27] I BET IT WAS BOB FUCKING GELDOF [09:27] First he kills the guy from INXS... [09:27] HEH [09:27] meanie [09:27] I'm trying very hard not to assume it's the Middle East. <-- well, what else is on the list of suspects, you think? [09:28] They keep showing these two women hunched down behind the car [09:28] Well [09:28] sure, there are a lot of countries with a very big grudge or bone to pick with the USA...but who has the money and the means to arrange this? [09:28] The LAST time everybody said "Those damned arabs", it turned out to be McVeigh. [09:29] HOW did they hijack these planes ? [09:29] There's a huge international network that finances these things. For example, the Irish Republican Army trains in and is funded by Libya. The IRA sells back arms. There are probably an infinite amount of ways to do this. [09:29] They make it damn near impossible to get firearms on board [09:29] The usual way, Matt. [09:29] Yeah with dozens of employees who service those plains, bring the meals and luggage aboard, etc. [09:29] BBC has animation of the WTC crashes [09:30] [12:28] The LAST time everybody said "Those damned arabs", it turned out to be McVeigh. <-- yeah, Dave, the day the OKC bombing happened, FBI showed up at the hotel i was working at looking for Arabs in a white van. [09:30] Oh that's cute [09:30] I told my mother I was on political mailing lists and she said "oh no, I hope you're not giving your name out!" . . . heh . . . I had to say, "mom, they're just about COPYRIGHT issues, don't worry, it's nothing like this" [09:30] Exactly [09:30] I REMEMBER all the anti-Arab prejudice from the last time. [09:30] The Rochester D&C is already writing articles about war. [09:30] I hope no one thinks its the Slovak Yak Liberation Front and tries to Slovak-bash me. [09:30] "In the shadow of the Statue of Liberty, an attack on the freedom of every American" [09:31] Boy Rather has a flair for the dramatic [09:31] * ash`afk breaks off in mid-sentence and stares at Quag [09:31] who said slovak? [09:31] * Bleech_ grepped that as "Slovak Yes Liberation Front" [09:31] hahahahaha [09:31] FREE JON ANDERSON [09:31] hahahahhahaah [09:31] I was thinking about Minter [09:31] http://www.rochesternews.com/0911hare.html [09:32] FREE JON ANDERSON AND PERHAPS MR. RICK WAKEMAN AS WELL [09:32] Its election day in New York? [09:32] Far out. [09:32] They cancalled the elections. [09:32] Which is really weird. [09:32] what elections? [09:32] I dont know [09:32] But Giuliani is on the phone with CNN [09:32] He's not a mayor to fuck with either. [09:32] My hands are shaking as I type. The back of my neck is cold. The country, our country, has been attacked. [09:32] This is the chaos of war. No one knows what is happening. Every few minutes, there is more smoke and more terror. [09:32] Who is doing this? Who could do this? [09:32] Just two hours ago, my colleague Frank Bilovsky alerted me that a plane had crashed into the World Trade Center. An accident, we assumed, as we scanned the bank of TV screens in the newsroom. [09:32] Then, as we watched the live shots of the rolling balls of black smoke pour out of the north tower, we could see a second plane -- a big plane, clearly an airliner -- enter the picture from the right. [09:33] He's the most effective mayor since Fiorello LaGuardia. [09:33] Gawd [09:33] Even the ardour-development list is reporting on this [09:33] Maybe this whole thing is another clue to the ENIGMA! [09:33] Giuliani would mobilize his own fucking army [09:33] Yeah, he would. [09:33] Giuliani is living with Keith's uncle and uncle [09:33] CALL IN THE MAFIA [09:33] Seriously, you can't exaggerate about Giuliani. [09:33] of PISSED OFF Bronx Residents [09:33] Fucking right [09:33] LEAVE THE BRONX [09:33] Death is everywhere. Another plane somewhere is still unaccounted for. [09:33] The television says every effort is being made to protect the president and the top officials of the government. [09:33] Everything has changed. This day, too, will live in infamy. [09:33] And somewhere, there are men celebrating these events. Theirs are the faces of evil. And the cold is everywhere. [09:34] 1. Re: KSI: PhysicalKeyboard::handle_input() (Paul Davis) [09:34] 2. Re: Mixer stuff (james rich) [09:34] 3. Re: nstreams v nroutes (Jeremy Hall) [09:34] 4. Re: interesting buglet (Taybin Rutkin) [09:34] 5. Re: latest CVS commit (Taybin Rutkin) [09:34] 6. Re: interesting buglet (Paul Davis) [09:34] I thought it crashed in western PA. [09:34] 7. Re: importing (Taybin Rutkin) [09:34] 8. Re: importing (Paul Davis) [09:34] 9. Re: latest CVS commit (Paul Davis) [09:34] 10. latest CVS commit (Paul Davis) [09:34] 11. min complaints in filesource.cc... (Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano) [09:34] 12. version number in CVS (Taybin Rutkin) [09:34] 13. compile error (Taybin Rutkin) [09:34] Marching into the Middle East with a corncob pipe like Douglas fucking MacArthur [09:34] 14. Re: compile error (Paul Davis) [09:34] Keith this is all very fascinating [09:34] 15. Re: compile error (Paul Davis) [09:34] 16. in case you don't know: world trade towers down (Paul Davis) [09:34] Keith, what are you doing? [09:34] 17. latest CVS commit (Paul Davis) [09:34] 18. Re: in case you don't know: world trade towers down (Taybin Rutkin) [09:34] 19. Re: in case you don't know: world trade towers down (D R Holsbeck) [09:34] Paul Davis, the guy who did "Cool Night" and "65 Love Affair"? [09:34] Mob of lead pipe wielding Brooklynites in tow [09:34] "AAAY, DON' FUCK WID US RAGHEAD *bonk bonk*" [09:35] Giuliani is saying how angry he is. [09:35] yep [09:35] Um, sorry that it was SO OUT OF PLACE, but it's a list of topics on a mail digest. [09:35] BBC.com: [09:35] The attacks were a consequence of United States policy in the Middle East, said a senior official with the radical Islamic Jihad movement, in remarks from Gaza City reported by the French news agency AFP. [09:35] Its amazing how much New York changed in one year after he ousted Dinkins. [09:35] Night and day difference, the whole city transformed. [09:35] Oh good [09:35] Its actually a nice place, which makes this twice as profane. [09:35] Gaza City just got themselves nuked [09:35] I see, Keith [09:35] brb. [09:36] On CNN and German TV they said the opposite - it was most likely a [09:36] concerted action which had a lot of people planing it and also a lot [09:36] of money behind. [09:36] >I am with you on finding out who is behind it and showing some fucking steel [09:36] >balls. [09:36] I'm not sure, but I guess this is exactly what those terrorists [09:36] wanted. [09:36] leave it to MTV to show rap videos [09:36] yeah, heh heh [09:36] what lovely taste [09:36] Gotta have their McRap [09:37] Now theyre talking to Orrin Hatch. [09:37] This should be good. [09:37] Radio here has ground to a halt [09:37] also from BBC.com: [09:37] A caller claiming to represent a Palestinian group, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, told Abu Dhabi television it had carried out the attack, in the first claim of responsibility to be received. [09:37] However, the claim was subsequently denied by a senior official from the group. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine also denied any involvement [09:37] heh heh heh [09:37] of course they're going to deny it [09:37] All Cumulus broadcasting stations switched to WCBS, others to CNN [09:37] they don't want their country FLATTENED [09:38] I don't know if calling the terrorists "cowards" is quite the right word [09:38] Well [09:38] oh, GOD.... [09:38] Subject: World War 3 starts today [09:38] From: Chuck [09:38] Newsgroups: alt.music.roger-waters [09:38] Message-ID: [09:38] I mean, flying an airplane into a building isn't the first thing I think of when I think of cowardice [09:38] We're all gonna die. [09:38] WHAT [09:38] You don't want to call them "Horribly effective and devastating attacks by a bunch of crack professionals" [09:38] the wit and wisdom of Chuck [09:38] That's from Chuck [09:38] Oh. [09:38] my god. [09:38] "All Major League Baseball games have been postponed, Dulles evacuated, and Kennedy Space Center shut down" [09:38] Its desperation, not cowardice, I'd say. [09:39] "ALL CURLING MATCHES HALTED" [09:39] Well it was extremely effective [09:39] "ALL GAMES OF JARTS SHUT DOWN" [09:39] "RAP SALES OUTLAWED" [09:39] Now John McCain [09:39] "BLUE LIGHT SPECIALS SUSPENDED" [09:39] Jarts was outlawed in NINETEEN EIGHTY EIGHT! [09:40] VH1 has footage of the base of one of the towers...only bottom 2 or 3 stories still up (though they're probably in bad shape" [09:40] I'm gonna put some Waters on [09:40] :( [09:40] Infantry deployed to the Pentagon [09:40] John McCain: "We will find them and they will suffer the full measure of our justice. This is an act of war against the US" [09:40] United also confirmed the crash of Flight 175 from Boston to Los Angeles. [09:40] Matt: i've been wondering what they look like now... how much collapsed. [09:40] Two carriers mobilized out of Norfolk [09:41] Sarah - Twisted steel beams covering fire engines and ambulances that responded first and maybe two stories worth of wall standing [09:41] to do what? combat the terrorist fleet? [09:41] • All Disney parks in Orlando, Florida, and Disneyland in Anaheim, California have been closed. [09:41] Vic - To make them more difficult to target, I imagine [09:41] Hatch: "There are countries which have the capability to do this, but they know we'll find out their signature, and we'll go after the bastards." [09:41] poor kelly [09:41] prolly a smart idea [09:41] Orrin Hatch just said bastard. [09:41] of course he said bastard [09:41] heh [09:41] Just heard it [09:41] bastard is a good word for them [09:41] america wants blood. [09:41] fucker [09:41] that's the word i have for them [09:41] What station are you watching, Quag? [09:41] *I* want blood. [09:41] Well, some blood is warranted, but it has to be the right blood and with due process, etc. [09:41] CNN [09:42] I think anger is warranted. Hasty retribution is not. [09:42] KWAG, Keith [09:42] I'm watching Fox but I think it's the exact same thing [09:42] The right blood done up like fucking Mussolini [09:42] All we get is Fox [09:42] I still dont believe in the Death Penalty. [09:42] They should be locked in a porta potty and forced to listen to Anderson Bruford Wakeman and How in perpetuity until they eventually expire. [09:42] Quag - even if they managed to kill, say, 10,000 people in the WTC? [09:42] Howe even [09:42] Even. [09:42] hahahaha [09:42] God, how long until Bruckheimer and Michael Bay are called in :P [09:42] * ash`afk slaps Bleech_ around a bit with a large trout [09:43] A free government should not be allowed to murder for any reason. [09:43] Vic - 10,000 may be a conservative estimate :( [09:43] perish the thought, matt [09:43] there were fifty thousand in the building [09:43] There were 50,000 people in those buidlings [09:43] right, but i'd heard they got a good number out, dave [09:43] *** salome (salome@7f138eb4.041.a88f223.net.hmsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [09:43] they got some out [09:43] nobody said how many [09:43] i [09:43] nobody knows how many [09:43] i'd say 10k is a good low estimate :( [09:43] We won't know numbers for a while. [09:43] God, there are guards with automatic rifles posted in Lafayette Park and armed infantry enroute to the Pentagon [09:43] Not anytime soon, today, probably [09:44] This is like a scene from The Stand [09:44] Just got a corporate e-mail. AT&T has closed all of its hundreds of offices. [09:44] "Private Sides. Front and center Puh-leeeeeeeeze." [09:44] Except for network ops people. [09:44] Quag - Well from the way you'd described it, an AT&T NOC is where I'd like to be if fire's raining down on NYC [09:45] American and United both say they lost 2 jets apiece. [09:45] Yeah [09:45] Definitely [09:45] *** salome (salome@7f2fc138.041.a88f223.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [09:45] [salome:#jiggyweek PING] [09:45] i heard the fourth one crashed in western pa [09:45] Man it's like a blizzard [09:45] whiteout conditions [09:45] well, look at the streets [09:45] All the NOCs are probably filled with people trying to keep the phone network and internet running [09:45] there was another confirmed crash by United going from boston to L.A., but they didn't say where, which is really weird [09:45] it looks like a bearacucratic volcano exploded [09:45] paper and ash everywhere [09:45] maybe that's the pittsburgh one? [09:46] * ash`afk apologizes for horribly terrible typoing of bureaucratic [09:47] well, life goes on... [09:47] FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS [09:47] How to invest $25.00 and turn it into thousands. [09:47] If everyone justs sends $25.00 And posts to at least 200 groups or send 5000 [09:47] emails,we will all be happy!!!!!!! [09:47] Happy all the way to the BANK!!!!!!! I found this posted in a newsgroup [09:47] what i heard [09:47] Rochester braced for potential terrorist attacks after this morning's deadly assaults on the World Trade Center in New York City and the Pentagon in Washington, D.C. The Greater Rochester International Airport closed, government offices sent employees home, schools considered dismissing students and police and fire agencies called in off-duty workers. [09:47] was that there were two in the world trade center [09:47] I WANT TO GO HOME [09:47] 2, dave [09:47] right [09:47] one in the pentagon [09:47] one for one tower [09:47] one for the other [09:47] and one in western pennsylvania [09:47] that alone would have been enough to make me sick [09:47] the rest was just icing on the cake [09:48] "Those people on the planes are believed to be dead" [09:48] no kidding [09:48] They EXPLODED 100 STORIES UP [09:48] I think it's safe to assume they died instantly [09:48] Even if they were thrown clear, I would imagine the fall did them in [09:48] Well, you're not supposed to say "dead" on the news until you see the body [09:49] yeah, right now they're saying "trapped" [09:49] They're finally using the word "destroyed" instead of just "attacked" [09:49] i can't believe people were jumping from the windows at the Trade Center... [09:49] The New "New Left": (Tucson citizen) [09:49] An animal rights activist is claiming responsibility for setting the fire that destroyed a Campbell Avenue McDonald's restaurant early Saturday. [09:49] A statement from the Animal Liberation Front said the group received an anonymous e-mail from someone saying the fire was set "to serve as a warning to corporations worldwide." [09:49] The announcement comes as the FBI joins the investigation into the arson, which caused an estimated $500,000 in damages. [09:49] Federal agents were called in because the fire was suspected to be an act of eco-terrorism. [09:49] The initials "ALF" and "ELF" were spray-painted on the restaurant's drive-through window. ELF stands for Earth Liberation Front. [09:49] Special Agent Tom Mangan with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms said the FBI is taking the lead in the case because the eco-terrorist groups "have been known to use graffiti." [09:49] Sarah - From how high up ? [09:50] well, when cornerned by fire, sarah, you'd be surprised what yoru mind tells you to do [09:50] cornered [09:50] eyewitnesses said right below the hole. [09:50] I'd rather die from a 110 story fall than burn to death [09:50] yep, me too [09:50] that's a hard call [09:50] i'd rather try running down the stairs. [09:50] you can't, if you're cornered. [09:50] the fall kills you on contact. or you die of fright on the way down. [09:50] fire, well, doesn't work that quickly. [09:50] I'm beginning to wonder about the book of Revelation these days [09:50] Geez, a real loud car drove by and it scared the shit out of me [09:51] if the room has exploded/collapsed and you're literally beingn pushed out the window by the intense heat/singeing of your skin and clothes [09:51] Between this and the Euro and all [09:51] Matt, all I need now is terrorism from the Book of Revelations [09:51] CNN - Live Taliban [09:51] Revelations scares the piss out of me. [09:51] Not me. [09:51] Its just another day. [09:51] Taliban via videophone [09:51] This shit happens all over the world all day, its like the gun debate, where no one freaks out until it happens in white suburbia [09:51] Taliban via E-mail [09:52] New York is the worlds "White suburbia" [09:52] Vic - Brett said one of the news stations said they were holding a plane with a bomb on board on the runway in Cleveland [09:52] i don't believe in Revelations. [09:52] no, it was suspected, Matt [09:52] but it's all-clear, I think [09:52] Quag - 50,000 people don't buy the farm in single attacks every day tho [09:52] ah [09:52] they're still searching, vic, last i heard. [09:52] If Revelations happens, I'll blame Jack Chick [09:52] *snicker* [09:52] heh heh [09:52] Well, here's the thing. According to a lot of church officials, Revelations is written in code. And you have to have another work of literature to decode what the hell it's about. [09:52] and nobody has that. [09:52] If Revelation happens, I'll still think Jack Chick is a stupid asshole [09:53] It's supposedly about Rome. [09:53] * ash`afk thinks back on his AD&D playing years and winces [09:53] 666 being Nero Caesar. [09:53] Maybe Jack Chick flew one of the planes. [09:53] Heh, maybe [09:53] "This Revelation stuff is taking too long, I gotta help God" [09:54] "We're already a year late, millennium-wise" [09:54] "Rain of Fire ? check" [09:54] no crap [09:54] heh [09:54] ATD is giving me shivers [09:54] "Dang, this locust plague is gone be tricky." [09:54] I have it just quiet enough to hear the news over it [09:55] Taliban is clearly denouncing this in no uncertain terms. [09:55] parts of London is being evacuated now... [09:55] Hopefully they'll rebroadcast this with captions [09:55] are [09:56] Military is on high alert [09:56] In the West Bank city of Nablus, thousands of Palestinianscelebrated Tuesday's attacks, chanting ``God is Great'' anddistributing candy to passers-by. [09:56] WTF?? [09:56] Well that makes sense. [09:56] Cell phones are ringing all over Moore and Cumberland and Hoke counties right now [09:56] The 82nd is the only "ready" battalion in the country, you're not allowed to be more than a certain distance from base [09:57] One hour recall = You have to be on base and in gear within an hour of getting the call [09:57] I'd bet good money that the green ramp over at Pope is full right now [09:57] hey, Jeff Mahaffey solved the crime already! [09:57] Personally I think it has to do with Bush's [09:57] comment towards the PLO a few weeks ago regarding [09:57] their terrorist activites. That the PLO needed to STOP [09:57] attacking Isreal and then maybe they could talk peace [09:57] again. That was a BOLD statement for a leader to make. [09:57] Clinton and the others stayed mutual, Bush didn't. I [09:57] appluad him for taking a side, personally, but I never [09:57] would have thought this would come from it. [09:57] ooh, a NYC LiveJournal chyk has this to say... [09:57] ...i'm so stunned. [09:58] i...i saw - SAW - the 2nd plane hit the towers. from the subway, where it goes aboveground. i have pictures of it, and when i finally get home i'll upload them. [09:58] i went to work. there was really nowhere else to go. [09:58] and watched as the two towers exploded. saw the fireworks-shaped arc as the 2nd tower fell apart. [09:58] yesterday - just YESTERDAY - i took a pic of the view from my window and now...now the towers are gone. [09:58] ...gone. [09:58] My god. [09:58] http://quag7.dynip.com:8063/public/Quags_Photos/april+quag_on_the_road/new_york/New%20York%20-%20View%20from%20top%20of%20ESB%20looking%20south%20%234.jpg [09:58] Oh my GAWD. CBS just now.... [09:58] Was one of my favorite views of anything, anywhere. [09:58] And it is no more. [09:58] footage from the ground maybe half a block away [09:59] well they'll rebuild it, of course [09:59] It's not Larks' Tongues IV, Dave [09:59] I don't think [09:59] you see the debris falling, and then maybe two dozen people running like motherfuckers [09:59] yes it is [09:59] then a huge black cloud of dust rolls in over the camera [09:59] local news stations are urging people to give blood already [10:00] MTV is showing rap videos. Good one, guys. The most devastating foreign [10:00] attack on the US since fucking 1814 and they are showing rap videos. [10:00] heh, dave [10:00] Anyone reading this from a foreign country, head for the [10:00] bomb shelters _now_. We are the most heavily armed nation on the planet, and [10:00] we are more pissed off now than we have been since 1941. [10:00] 100% agreed [10:00] *** Klya (kyla@d112ae8c.sttl.f89672e2.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [10:00] hi [10:01] hi, Kyla. [10:01] this is fucking crazy [10:01] Dave: I thought it was 10. Coda: I Have A Dream [10:01] thank God you're okay Christy [10:01] keith [10:01] VIRGINIA: Navy installations throughout Hampton Roads, home of the world's largest Navy base, placed under an increased security condition called Threatcon Charlie. Threatcon Charlie is implemented when an incident occurs or when intelligence is received that some form of terrorist action is imminent. [10:01] that's part of larks' tongues pt. iv [10:01] NORTH CAROLINA: Military bases prepared for possible change in status. At Raleigh-Durham International Airport, spokeswoman Mirinda Kossoff said a strategy meeting was planned with the Federal Aviation Administration. [10:01] well, Christy is a kind of out of blast range [10:01] Oh, then Garrett listed the tracks misleadingly on my CD-R [10:01] well that's good [10:01] Sorry then [10:01] well not really [10:01] i mean [10:01] 10. i have a dream is the SUBTITLE [10:01] this is scary [10:01] I'm a good 400-500 miles from NYC, Kyla, no worries [10:02] jesus [10:02] how the _hell_ do you pull something like that off? [10:03] remember Bisbunny?? she lives in Manhatten [10:03] I wonder how it would feel to be in one of the nearby buildings that *wasn't* affected [10:03] *** Quag7 changes topic to 'May you live in interesting times.' [10:03] heh [10:03] I wonder how the passengers on those planes felt [10:03] yeah [10:03] i thought of that one too ,quag [10:03] I liked the post that Sarah was quoting for a topic [10:03] OHHH you want YIP SONG FORTUNE COOKIE [10:03] i couldn't believe it [10:03] which one, Keith? [10:03] for like five minutes, i couldn't believe it [10:03] IDK, it was three lines, something about America going up in smoke? [10:04] I still can't believe it [10:04] sarah told me as i was asleep [10:04] OH!, the post from the Brit... [10:04] i was at work [10:04] let me find it again. [10:04] Yeah [10:04] i couldn't believe it either [10:04] one of my co-workers said uh [10:04] "You know terrorists just attacked the US?" [10:04] I thought it was some kind of joke. [10:04] My daughter in Michigan called me at 7:30 and told me [10:04] sarah, master of the understatement, said "weird things have been happening today" ;) [10:04] Nice topic Quag. Now we can blame the Chinese. [10:04] terrorists attacked the US. i mean jeez. [10:05] chickenshits hiding on American planes [10:05] heh [10:05] [13:04] sarah, master of the understatement, said "weird things have been happening today" ;) <-- well, you can't wake someone up out of sleep with "THE WORLD'S GONE UP IN FLAMES!!!! [10:05] god, i better choose some music for today. something somber, yet not lame. [10:05] my dad woke me up [10:05] My first clue was something Christy forwarded to me: [10:05] Subject: [10:05] Fw: wtc [10:05] Date: [10:05] Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:26:34 -0400 [10:05] From: [10:05] "Christy Cohen" [10:05] To: [10:05] no kenny loggins, for sure [10:05] [10:05] heh [10:05] ----- Original Message ----- [10:05] From: [10:06] To: [10:06] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:26 AM [10:06] Subject: wtc [10:06] > TURN ON THE NEWS! plane crashed into world trade center! [10:06] > [10:06] "What on EARTH could be so important to wake me up ?" "The World Trade Center is half destroyed, and the Pentagon is in flames." ".......OK, that'll do it." [10:06] > M [10:06] > [10:06] > Please note-I do not check this edress during the day. [10:06] > [10:06] heh heh heh [10:06] hahah matt [10:06] edress? [10:06] Keith: here you go... [10:06] Fuck me it's the end of the world!!! [10:06] America is going up in smoke! [10:06] an electronic dress [10:06] Yeah, that's the one [10:06] marc calls them edresses. [10:06] That was really what he said [10:06] My reaction was more along the lines of "yeah right. No really, what do you want ?" [10:06] I hope Croaker is okay...he lives in a small town in Pa [10:07] "This is one of those few days in life that one can actually say will change everything." [10:07] Croaker is way far away from Pittsburgh [10:07] yup [10:07] this is true, this is what i was thinking. [10:07] thanks Bleech...I needed that reassurance [10:07] well, not WAY far away, but far enough away that I wouldn't worry about 'im. [10:07] Danzka just e-mailed me from Brazil [10:07] i thought for a while that i was dreaming. [10:08] that i had been reading too much about "doomwatch" and i was now dreaming a doomwatch episode. [10:08] I was thinking how on NYE a terrorist was going to blow up the Space Needle [10:08] World leaders react: http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/09/11/trade.centre.reaction/ [10:08] *** Bleech_ changes topic to 'May you live in interesting times. | But what of Argenteus ?' [10:08] Bush on CNN [10:09] On CBS too in FUNNY FAST MOTION ! [10:09] too bad we dont have a 'real' Pres to run the USA [10:09] This guy is explaining why the broadcast isn't working right [10:09] I'm just looking back at CountV's post of a couple days ago. [10:09] George Bush is turning into Max Headroom [10:09] Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed deep sympathy to the people of the U.S. "in connection with this terrorist act, this terrible tragedy," the Kremlin quoted spokesman Alexei Gromov as saying, Reuters said. [10:09] Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat condemned the attack, saying he "sent his condolences and those of the Palestinian people to Bush and the American people. [10:09] *** Bleech_ changes topic to 'May you live in interesting times. | But what of Argenteus ? And Marek ?' [10:10] max headroom? [10:10] World shock over U.S. attacks [10:10] September 11, 2001 Posted: 12:57 PM EDT (1657 GMT) [10:10] LONDON, England -- LONDON, England -- World leaders have reacted with revulsion to the aircraft attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and on the Pentagon in Washington. [10:10] A sombre and visibly shaken British Prime Minister Tony Blair said the world's democracies must "fight this evil" perpetrated by suspected terrorists in the U.S.. [10:10] Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed deep sympathy to the people of the U.S. "in connection with this terrorist act, this terrible tragedy," the Kremlin quoted spokesman Alexei Gromov as saying, Reuters said. [10:10] Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat condemned the attack, saying he "sent his condolences and those of the Palestinian people to Bush and the American people." [10:10] EU External Relations Commissioner Chris Patten told Reuters."This is an act of war by madmen." [10:10] He compared the attack with that deployed by the Japanese at the U.S. naval base Pearl Harbor in 1941. [10:10] "It is the worst attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor," he added. [10:10] "This is one of those few days in life that one can actually say will change everything." [10:10] NATO Secretary-General George Robertson called it an "intolerable aggression against democracy," Reuters reported. [10:10] does this mean he's going to disrupt doctor who reruns and get spanked? [10:10] He compared the attack with that deployed by the Japanese at the U.S. naval base Pearl Harbor in 1941. [10:10] "It is the worst attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor," he added. [10:10] The redundant world for today is redundant [10:10] i think it's worse than pearl harbor [10:10] i absolutely think it's worse [10:10] Well, it's fucking Manhattan [10:10] I mean [10:10] yes [10:10] The epicenter of American influence. [10:11] it's manhattan and the pentagon [10:11] I am so shaey I can't type [10:11] it's fucking adrian veidt [10:11] Sort of the center of the world in many ways. [10:11] yeah [10:11] sarah tells me that some sick fucker tried to sell a piece of the WTC on e-bay [10:11] but it was already taken down [10:11] Heh [10:11] Maybe in 60 years they'll let him put it back up [10:11] she's digging up a screenshot [10:11] shit, they just showed the plane crashing [10:12] yeah, i saw that. fucking horrible. [10:12] those poor passengers [10:12] Pat brought in a radio. [10:12] and people jumping out of the buildings...o my god [10:12] http://www.gothic.net/~bathory/ebay/ebay-posting.gif [10:12] jeez [10:12] that's quick [10:13] UGH [10:13] nice description >: [10:13] | [10:13] what kind of a sick fuck... [10:13] even on the West Coast, LAX is closed, all airports are closed [10:14] a very sick fuck [10:14] brb [10:15] *** Klya is now known as klyaafk [10:15] *** AcousticSavant changes topic to 'May you live in interesting times. | If Bruce Willis was in the building this wouldn't have happened.' [10:15] ooooh [10:15] dave dave dave [10:16] From Dave's post [10:16] yeah, i just saw [10:17] you can't deny it [10:18] Yippie-Ki-Yay motherfucker [10:18] Keanu could possibly have saved it too [10:18] If you know [10:18] He was like [10:18] Neo [10:18] Neo [10:18] heh [10:19] Hunt down and "PUNISH" [10:19] Reporter's emphasis on "PUNISH" [10:19] bbiaf [10:19] "Those are the president's words, PUNISH" [10:19] *** ash`afk (biafra@f426cc72.6ca6d900.net.hmsk) Quit (Quit: Now I'm riding on a fountain of fire. With my back to the Earth, I go higher and higher. Why me?) [10:19] punish [10:20] i thought that was kinda weak [10:20] it's like he's going to spank them [10:20] Yeah. [10:20] i would've said "DESTROY" [10:20] i guess that's why i'm not president [10:20] You can't punish one person for the deaths of thousands and the effects on all the survivors [10:21] Punish implies justice [10:21] Or some kind of retribution [10:21] What if the four hijackers *were* the entire organization? [10:22] Four or five [10:22] However many we're up to [10:23] I'll be pissed if Captain Janks calls anyone [10:26] I don't feel sufficiently "here" to work. [10:26] I just still feel like I'm in shock. [10:26] Have radio on? [10:27] captain janks? [10:28] yeah. [10:28] who's that? [10:31] *** Disconnected [10:32] *** Attempting to rejoin... [10:32] *** Rejoined channel #jiggyweek [10:32] *** Topic is 'May you live in interesting times. | If Bruce Willis was in the building this wouldn't have happened.' [10:32] *** Set by AcousticSavant on Tue Sep 11 10:15:48 [10:32] God, they're running a special scroll just for the prayer meetings [10:32] *** bxxbxxbxx (nate@f0104a92.pima1.az.283197b4.com.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [10:32] Yeah, Captain Janks [10:32] He calls networks when big news stories (JFK Jr, for example) hit and basically baits them into making idiots out of themselves [10:33] *** GhostDog (nate@f0104a92.pima1.az.283197b4.com.hmsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [10:33] damn, they shut his webpage down [10:34] got, i can't watch that airplane hit anymore. that's awful. [10:34] god, rather [10:34] it is...it's horrible [10:34] and normally I cheer it when Janks gets one over on a network, but it would be bad taste now [10:34] Mein Gott [10:34] tremendously [10:34] *** Quag7 (quag7@f0104a92.pima1.az.283197b4.com.hmsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [10:34] -----> Channel logging disabled at Tue Sep 11 10:34:52 2001 MST (GMT -7). Logging will re-enable when Quag7 rejoins. [10:35] we're dead at work. long day ahead ;p [10:35] anyone who wants to call with updates, feel free :) [10:35] yeah. Local streets are empty here [10:35] Everyone's watching TV [10:35] watching TV [10:35] sorry [10:35] heh [10:35] heh [10:35] Bleech..where do you live again? [10:36] ok, getting ready for work. [10:36] take care, everyone. [10:36] be safe [10:36] dammit, they must use a m4d telephoto lens on the south lawn here, cause dammit it's way further away [10:36] *** salome is now known as salomeAFK [10:36] south central NC [10:36] that's right [10:36] Palestinians are rallying and passing out candy. Motherfuckers. [10:36] Nuke 'em. [10:37] BRB [10:37] they're talking about Seattle now [10:37] The Space Needle is closed, no cars on ferries [10:38] *** ParilatWork (JavaClient@e7871512.dbcf283e.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [10:39] *** klyaafk is now known as klya [10:39] hello. [10:39] Hi April [10:39] hi April [10:39] hi APril [10:39] SAVE US APRIL [10:39] How is everyone dealing with this? [10:39] *** salomeAFK is now known as salome [10:39] *** bxxbxxbxx is now known as GhostDog [10:39] I mean. Is everyone ok? [10:39] I'm pretty shaken up [10:39] i'm pretty shaken, April. it's frightening. [10:39] And everyone's loved ones? [10:39] i'm dealing with it in my usual manner [10:39] poor taste [10:39] Shaken up, I'm getting better now [10:39] i don't know anyone in NYC or DC [10:39] I saw your e-mails, Dave. [10:39] Bisbunny recently moved back to Manhatten...remember her? [10:40] I do have relatives that could have been in either place, so we don't know about them yet [10:40] i'm not meaning to be in poor taste [10:40] April, I got an e-mail from Danzka in Brazil [10:40] but it apparently comes very naturally to me [10:40] phone. brb [10:40] I think a few jokes are good for mental health reason, don't worry about it [10:40] Wonder how big tomorrow's headlines will be. [10:41] I'm glad you heard from Danzka, Kyla. [10:41] well i've had someone email me pissed off already [10:41] who? [10:41] Hi, Paul. [10:41] Uh [10:41] April [10:41] I thought april and my fingers typed Paul. [10:41] I am brain-dead. [10:41] jesus christ [10:41] i am on a gnutella video file server [10:41] i did a search for audio files [10:42] no [10:42] I know what you're gonna say [10:42] and what i got [10:42] you do? [10:42] no. [10:42] what am i gonna say? [10:42] IDK [10:42] billions of video clips of the plane crashing into the tower? [10:42] no. [10:42] I talked to Jenny (she's at work) and she was worried about followup attacks in Washington. Apparently, there were reports of bombs. [10:42] OK. [10:42] "roger waters- dogs of war" [10:42] Adrienne is completely distressed and mumbling something about the New World Order and Squeek is mrrping in favor of, rather than caution in the face of the New World Order, more food and an increase in the number of mealtimes. [10:42] there was a car bomb [10:42] . [10:42] Kiki said to me of this attack: "Amateurs." [10:42] outside the state department [10:42] !! [10:42] heh. [10:43] Molly and moe are watching it from the couch [10:43] You got any new pictures of Molly and Moe? [10:43] I think that report (car bomb) was unconfirmed. [10:43] I have no cats to anthropomorphize, so I'm going to ask Ghostdog what he thinks [10:43] where?? car bomb [10:43] !8ball what do you think? [10:43] -----> AcousticSavant (Re): what do you think? [10:43] -----> Canada. [10:43] !!!!!!!! [10:44] *** Bleech_ (nunya@91406f00.nc.14056255.com.hmsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [10:44] I'm scared, there's been more... a car bombing at the State Department, [10:44] GhostDog thinks Canada is behind it. [10:44] explosions at the Capitol a second explosion at the Pentagon. It's pandamonium! [10:44] I thought he was suggesting we move there [10:44] (that's from Jenny) [10:44] pandemonium [10:44] pandamonium was that awful saturday morning cartoon [10:44] from the 80s [10:44] NPR is completely offline. I wanted to listen to their broadcase. [10:44] -e +t [10:45] completely offline? [10:45] theyw ere online when i went home from work [10:45] that's what we're listening to right now, April. [10:45] someone called about a improvement on our septic tank and I really told here off [10:45] you don't have a radio at work? [10:45] Later, Jenny wrote that neither bombs were confirmed, but she's scared, nonetheless. Luckily her husband isnt' travelling. [10:45] no [10:45] i should [10:45] No, I don't have a radio at work. [10:45] But I can't even bring up the npr.org home page. [10:45] but i only have an extremely hi-tech uh [10:45] yeah, neither could i, April. [10:45] Can someone give me the broadcasting URL? [10:45] mp3 player [10:46] yeah, hold on, April [10:46] it didn't work for me, either, though, but i'll get it. [10:46] this is making me queasy [10:46] Quag: There's talk of closing shop at noon today. What's going on with your job? [10:46] All AT&T offices are closed. [10:46] All of this is stupid, this is precisely how not to react to this. [10:46] http://www.npr.org/webevents/npr.asx [10:46] Quag, that's how it's going to happen. [10:46] The more things get disrupted, the more it encourages people to use terrorism in the future. [10:46] Im hungry [10:47] If you come home April [10:47] There is no point in pretending this is not major. [10:47] You should bring food. [10:47] This is fucking major. [10:47] I leave it up to you what to bring. [10:47] But dammit Im hungry [10:47] I dont think it means every business in the world has to close down and - what theyre doing now is moving aircraft carriers off the coast of Manhattan. [10:47] I dont know what the fuck that is all about. [10:47] People are in shock. [10:47] Rescuing the lemurs running into the ocean? [10:47] *** Bleech_ (nunya@91406f00.nc.14056255.com.hmsk) has joined #JiggyWeek [10:48] I'm gona lose my toast...brb [10:48] You are not going to have "business as usual" when the fucking world trade center got completely destroyed. [10:48] Lemurs don't run into the ocean. [10:48] Lemmings do. [10:48] [Jahweh:#jiggyweek PING] [10:48] OK. Quag: you'd better eat something a-fore I get there, becuase it's still over an hour before I'll get there. [10:49] Lemurs are friend to mankind. [10:49] I see no reason why business in Tucson, and AT&T offices in other cities that have nothing to do with finance, need to close. [10:49] There is nothing to eat here. [10:49] Go get some Fish Tacos [10:49] I think emotionally. [10:49] They need to close. [10:49] Before she can get home and protest seafood [10:49] Okay, Lemmings then. [10:50] State of Emergency in DC [10:50] i somewhat wish my office was closed today. i'm going to be useless. [10:50] April, know what's really weird ? [10:50] What? [10:51] When my dad called and woke me up to tell me, I was dreaming about Charlie [10:51] saying he decided to commute down here to work in a grocery store instead [10:51] plane down 80 miles South of Pittsburgh [10:51] Well, Quag, the reasoning behind it is this: it's really hard to concentrate on "business as usual" when you're drawn to newsreports and/or your mind is overwhelmed with the footage. [10:52] shanksville Pa [10:52] Yeah, I sent Charlie an e-mail -- haven't heard back from him. Then again, haven't heard from Peace or any of my Westat buddies, either. [10:52] I suppose. [10:52] That's the reasoning behind possibly closing at noon here. [10:52] My mind is just in shock. [10:52] Well I want you to close because I want food :-) [10:52] Take me, for instance. Where am I? On IRC. [10:52] And because you know [10:52] You can like come home [10:52] mine too and I'm on the west coast [10:52] And we can watch Law and Order [10:52] And Spongebob Squarepants [10:52] and shit [10:52] awwww. [10:52] And climb in bed and discuss Mackie. [10:53] nope [10:53] I know this is a weird question, but is the Pennsylvania plane crash more like just a regular plane crash? [10:53] yes, and discuss Mackie [10:53] Looks like it, yeah [10:53] yeah it's more like just a regular plane crash [10:53] Benjamin Mackie makes for very compelling pillow talk indeed [10:53] yeah [10:53] i don't wnat to know if you guys discuss benjamin mackie in bed [10:53] i really don't that's just kinda gross [10:53] Would you want to know if we didn't? [10:53] What, a Mackie fetish is too gross for you? [10:53] I just want to crawl under the covers with my cats [10:53] yes [10:53] Far out. [10:53] what you think i'm unsquickable? [10:53] <-- just bought a Dildo with Mackie's unsmiling face on it [10:53] ahahah [10:53] i'm squicked by a great many things [10:54] Ky, you can do that. You ought to do that. [10:54] I took 3 Xanax [10:54] Have to make something to eat [10:54] there are very few things i'm not squicked by, tbh [10:54] You know, this is kinda like Bin Laden having a sniper take out Mr Rogers [10:54] an attack on Americana [10:54] Wonder how long until the first WTC bombing jokes. [10:54] oh geez [10:54] Quag - too late [10:54] i think they've already hit [10:55] http://www.gothic.net/~bathory/ebay/ebay-posting.gif [10:55] somebody tried to auction a piece of it on ebay [10:55] Didn't we already make a few ourselves? [10:55] there's the first one [10:55] I'd bet money that they declare a sort of memorial day [10:55] Well Im gonna go lay down on the couch awhile. [10:55] be back later. [10:55] Enjoy the snuff film. [10:56] have some %b [10:56] [13:56] -Miravlix- There is setup a channel #Attack to talk about todays terrorist attack in the US [10:56] [13:56] -Miravlix- There is setup a channel #Attack to talk about todays terrorist attack in the US [10:56] heh [10:56] Taht's strange. [10:56] heh heh [10:56] The malls in tucson are closed. [10:56] Wake, Durham, and Johnston County schools closed [10:56] there's one on almost every network... i've seen adbertisements for a few posted on LJ. [10:56] advertisements [10:56] I see no point in closing school since it's almost over anyway [10:56] The Bank of America is closed, the Seattle Airport, [10:56] That's kinda silly, but maybe it's for the same reason we're thinking about closing. [10:57] Lost productivity. [10:57] Cleveland is asking people to stay out of downtown. [10:57] it's a good thing I have a job where I can work from home [10:57] a lot of businesses have closed. [10:57] April [10:57] I-40 and 540 are remarkably calm for a mass exodus from RDU [10:57] Yes, Kyla? [10:57] www.howdypressing.com [10:57] phone [10:57] there's a "parking ban" in effect in downtown... [10:58] Subject: [10:58] Good news! [10:58] Date: [10:58] Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:46:45 -0400 [10:58] From: [10:58] "Handy, Sandra" [10:58] To: [10:58] "'keith@indierecords.com'" [10:58] Got through to Brad just a few minutes ago. They could see the smoke from [10:58] the Pentagon from their rooftop. I was so concerned this morning and now [10:58] I'm drained and could use a nap! The governor closed all New York state [10:58] operations and UB is officially closed. However, our office is staying open [10:58] this afternoon per our director. I'll talk to you soon. Love, Me [10:58] (My uncle is okay, iow) [10:58] Good, Keith [11:00] This is a really great idea and site, Kyla! [11:00] It's nice to look at something cute and fuzzy. [11:01] April..I DCC'd you [11:01] Sorry, Kyla, but I can't accept DCC chats. I'm using the web-based java applet. [11:02] I can't even scroll back to see the lines I miss when I'm in another window. [11:02] okay, I have your addy and I'm sneding you a pack [11:02] (DCC Chat only works for people using mIRC or similar) [11:02] the Mayor is asking people to stop using cell phones. [11:02] Aw! Cute! [11:02] thank GOD [11:03] Definitely, Sarah. [11:03] Definitely. [11:03] I don't have a cell phone [11:03] I do. [11:03] I had four messages from my mom this morning. [11:03] (I had it turned off because the battery was low) [11:04] My grandma Kay's lung cancer returned. [11:04] Apparently, my mom doesn't think she'll live very long. [11:04] ooh, over-sensititve statement on the radio. [11:04] I think she might've been trying to guilt-trip me into going back to Iowa to see her, but I wasn't picking up on it. [11:04] I yelled at this woman who was trying to 'upgrade' my septic tank, and I yelled at her the World Trade Center just got blown up, I don't give a shit about the tank [11:05] I'm sorry about your Mom April [11:05] Well, she'll likely not be calling many people today. [11:05] Eh, it happens. That's what happens. [11:05] the Mayor's PR woman is addressing questions... someone asked about the supposed bomb on the airplane at Cleveland-Hopkins Airport. she said "All I know is the FBI asked the plane to remain on the tarmack because it fit the profile of other planes that... caused... other disturbances this morning." [11:05] Both of them are younger than my other grandma, though. [11:06] (My mom thinks that Kay dying will cause my grandfather to die, too -- of a broken heart) [11:06] April (((((((HUG)))))))) [11:07] So, anyway. No I can't concentrate on work. I just want to watch the news and see events as they unfold. [11:07] With Quag, cuddled on the couch. [11:07] (awww) [11:07] Dutch is leaving to go return a defective printer [11:08] * klya takes a deep breath [11:08] the news is reporting that bomb squades are roaming the downtown area. [11:08] everybody take in a slow deep breath [11:08] i don't cuddle, myself [11:08] awwwwwww (((((((HUG)))))) to you too:) [11:10] Armed guards roaming downtown Charlotte [11:10] a message from Danzka: [11:10] I'm so glad you're alright and I keep praying these guys stop that at once. [11:10] I'm so sorry for all those peoples at the buildings and on the planes, ..., [11:10] their relatives,... those who watched that happen,..., God, it looks like [11:10] some Hollywood shit movie! [11:10] It can lead the world to another war, a new war would be the end, woudn't it? [11:10] I'm scared! [11:10] I can't post to AMP-F and and Google would take to long to show my message, [11:10] so please tell me how are April, Bedwarmer, Bleech, ..., and please tell them, [11:11] ..., and please tell them, [11:11] when you can, that we here are very sorry and praying for that to end soon. [11:11] [11:11] Local news channels keep promising to show local stuff and never do [11:11] like Easley's press conference [11:11] Danzka was asking about you April and Bleech [11:12] tell her I says "Hi" [11:12] i'm going to leave early for work. the news keep saying that it's chaos on the highways going into and out of the city. [11:12] +s [11:12] bye guys [11:12] *** salome (salome@7f2fc138.041.a88f223.net.hmsk) Quit (Quit: there were muffins to fear and muffins to doubt) [11:13] Um [11:13] Why the FUCK is the local station airing a Dallas/Ft Worth affiliate ? [11:13] I'm gonna write her back [11:13] anyone want me to relay a message? [11:13] just "Hi" [11:14] okay [11:16] Last night we watched Strange Days and today is stranger [11:17] Rob is yellingn at a customer. [11:17] I can't handle this. [11:17] too much stress. [11:17] my brain is fried. [11:17] Why is he yelling at a customer? [11:17] Christy (((((((HUG)))))))) [11:18] take a deeeeep breath hon [11:18] God, even North Carolina is kicking into disaster mode [11:18] State Emergency Management Office activated [11:19] Bragg, Pope, Seymour Johnson, Butner, Lejeune, Cherry Point, all closed and searching even official vehicles that come in [11:19] The Wash State Military is on red alert [11:19] Shearon Harris and Brunswick nuclear plants on lockdown [11:20] we have nuclear plants here too, and boeing... [11:21] Oh Jesus Christ [11:21] No terrorists here! Join our porn site, turn off the TV, quit watching the crap happening in the states, [11:21] and join our free site! [11:21] http://64.71.147.191 [11:21] :| [11:21] Oh man, they just told about a passenger on a cell phone from one of the planes yelling 'we're being hijacked and they kept her on the phone till the plane crashed [11:22] This is too freaky... [11:22] I gotta go now...I love ALL you guys... [11:23] (((((HUGS))))))) [11:23] oh christ [11:23] BBL [11:23] *** klya (kyla@d112ae8c.sttl.f89672e2.net.hmsk) Quit (Quit: I gotta R-U-N-N-O-F-T !!) [11:26] I have a headache. [11:27] I'm still in shock, really. [11:27] I wish I could get some sort of npr radio feed or something. That might help. [11:28] yeah. NPR, CNN, everything, mostly down..... [11:28] their routers are flooded with traffic ever since 9 [11:29] I'm glad you're not near D.C. anymore, April. [11:30] I would've been fine. [11:30] I know. But it still makes me feel better. [11:30] Even if I was working downtown where I used to work, I would've been fine. [11:30] Just like my mom feels uneasy that I'm even in NY state. [11:30] It'd be nice to be able to get through to my sister/aunt, though. [11:31] right... [11:31] phones are all fucked up. [11:31] It's interesting how they do these video-telephone feeds [11:32] I am not getting any work done today [11:32] I've sent out about five emails to customers [11:32] but nobody's calling, either [11:32] Rochester is dead downtown. Nobody is out driving. [11:32] It's eerie. [11:32] of course nobody's calling [11:32] if they do rob will just yell at them [11:34] Yeah, Rob has my nerves on edge now. [11:34] First, he whines to the person on the line. Then he gets loud. Then he gets snotty, and yells. [11:34] Waynen ignores him. It's amazing. [11:36] The pundits were right. This makes Oklahoma City look like small peanuts [11:36] Yep [11:36] Check out this X10 ad: [11:36] We have suspended our service out of sympathy to the victims and families of this National tragedy. Our heartfelt thoughts and prayers go out to them. [11:36] If you would like to proceed to the X10 Home Page - Click Here [11:37] oh SUCK ME OFF. God [11:37] Holy SHIT. [11:37] Amazing. [11:37] http://www.wral.com/ <-- Look at the "Independent photographer" pics [11:38] X10 is so fucking evil [11:38] http://html.wral.com/sh/slideshow/_auto/sh1359s1.html [11:39] Christy: it's still a pop-up, regardless, right? [11:39] Yes. [11:39] How far is Keith's family from all of this? I think I'm still in shock or [11:39] > I would have asked long [11:39] > before now and I am so sorry about that. Love mom [11:40] They're further than we are [11:40] yeah, I told her and about your uncle(s) [11:40] ok [11:40] explode x10 [11:40] My uncle is okay, did you see when I pasted that? [11:41] Yes. [11:41] http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1537000/1537499.stm <-- photos of Bush being told [11:42] I saw those, Bleech [11:42] We live in a strange time where every nanosecond of tragedy is filmed, from different angles [11:42] Yep [11:43] http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1535000/images/_1537924_people_in_fog_ap_300.jpg <-- Like I said, snowstorm [11:43] oh my dear god [11:43] it looks like fallout. [11:44] yes [11:44] ash [11:44] The Mayor was in the building [11:45] He got out, I mean [11:45] But he was in it [11:45] yeah. [11:45] I keep getting the mayor mixed up with the governor. [11:45] That's understandable. [11:45] I'm looking at one of them on a WABC newscast, not sure which one. [11:45] The governor is tall [11:45] * Bleech_ says in sexy Barry White voice "...Patakiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii" [11:45] The Mayor has glasses [11:45] I want to say this is Giuliani. [11:45] yes. [11:46] The reporters are all asking questions at once [11:47] I freak out every time I hear sirens now. [11:47] I know that's silly too. [11:48] I don't "freak out", I just look to see where they're going. [11:48] Yeah, same here, but just keep in mind we always have sirens going by. [11:48] I know. [11:49] On the upside, if there can be one found, you'll have some pretty sunrises in the coming weeks. [11:51] because of the dust in the air? [11:51] yeah. [11:52] The only upside of this is that TRL is undoubtedly cancelled [11:52] I'm starting to feel really sick. [11:52] TRL? [11:53] Total Request Live [11:53] BTW Keith, I tried what you said a l;ong time ago and ran AnalogX Vocal Remover on Brain Damage/Eclipse yesterday [11:53] verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting [11:54] Why? [11:54] I like the "Hello/Goodbye" guitar sound that comes in "all you create" (I think) [11:54] Christy -- try to relax your back muscles. They'll help untighten your stomach. [11:54] Because you hear things you never heard before [11:54] Like that guitar sound Keith just mentioned [11:55] and the backing vocalists all by themselves [11:55] Try it on One of My Turns and listen to the rhythm guitar [11:56] I shall in a bit [11:57] good advice, April, thanks....... [11:59] I doubt it would work, but I feel helpless otherwise. [11:59] :| [12:00] No, it helps [12:00] Kind of like that advice for gyn exams where they tell you to make your stomach go soft, and it relaxes the rest of you. I know that's a bad comparison, but... [12:00] "one of the most horrifying attacks on American soil".....ONE OF ? [12:00] Name me one other that killed tens of thousands [12:00] Rather, you asshole [12:01] They don't have a count, do they? Juliani said he wasn't even going to speculate. [12:01] Dan Rather *is* an asshole. I've only [12:02] No count [12:02] had bad vibes from him. [12:02] It's too hard to speculate until dust clears, until they are able to make a better effort at recovering bodies [12:02] :( :( :( [12:02] 50,000 people between the towers, severe damage to adjoining buildings, some of which are on fire, fatalities at the Pentagon [12:02] Has it been confirmed, anything about that plane crashing in PA? [12:03] I'd say 25,000 lost is a fair estimate on the LOW end. [12:03] what would be more horrible than getting killed instantly in that building...... [12:03] I also heard that the 50,000 number was inflated. [12:03] That it's only 10,000 per tower. [12:03] would be having it collapse on you, or being trapped for hours and hours in agony [12:03] Not "only". [12:03] I didn't mean "only". [12:03] I know what you meant. [12:03] Sorry. [12:03] Christy - This is why I feel really bad for the first rescue workers on-scene [12:03] yeah, matt [12:04] they showed it earlier, fire engines and EMS trucks under rubble [12:04] the buildings collapsed on those who were lucky enough to get out, kind of like when the titanic broke in half and fell back down on those in the water already. [12:04] Yeah. [12:04] Even after the bombing back in 93 (?), it took much longer than an hour to evacuate the building. [12:04] yeah, late '92 early '93, somewhere in there. [12:04] I think they fixed it, though, so that the smoke didn't fill the stairwells. Hopefully that saved at least a couple of lives. [12:05] It's the symbolic thing that refuses to clear my mind [12:05] That's a piece of americana gone. [12:05] I continue to be shocked when I see footage of people so close to desperation that they leap from 88 stories up. [12:05] 88 stories. My god. [12:05] (like here, and in Peru, during that hi-rise fire) [12:05] April - Do you want to fall, burn, or suffocate ? :( [12:06] hard choices [12:06] I don't think it's a coherent, conscious decision [12:06] it's panic [12:06] me either. [12:06] they don't stand there debating. they have to get out. [12:06] the fact that you're so high up doesn't register [12:06] I don't feel like I"m on the fifth story all day. [12:07] BRB [12:09] "I'm afraid it'll be a while before they go to the trade center" <----heh, good answer [12:09] *** Alica (al@a7255280.tnt1.west-palm-beach.fl.da.140562b5.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [12:09] Hi, Alica. [12:09] hello [12:09] let's hear the conspiracy theories [12:09] The reporter asked "will people be able to go to the trade center with the same sense of security as before?" [12:10] Stupid reporter [12:11] No conspiracy theories here. [12:12] How's it going, Alica? [12:12] <-- at work. [12:12] .................. [12:12] that was the cat [12:12] I think Quag will be saddened to know that I won't be home for a while. [12:12] :) [12:12] heh! [12:12] <---sick [12:12] i got the shotglasses [12:12] sadly, oklahoma didn'tmake it [12:13] *** Paul` (paul@14055af0.6ca5f081.128.125.imsk) has joined #jiggyweek [12:14] :( [12:14] That's sad. [12:14] yeesh. [12:14] just heard about the news. [12:14] they have practically shut down florida [12:14] DISNEY WORLD IS CLOSED PEOPLE [12:14] I don't think they closed for hurricane andrew [12:15] Damn. [12:15] "This is geometrically worse" <- you mean exponentially, maybe? [12:15] They've offered to go let us donate blood on company time. [12:15] They won't take my blood [12:16] otherwise I'd be at the blood bank right now [12:16] Why not? [12:16] Tattoo for one thing (just done a few months ago) and hypertension [12:16] Ah. [12:17] you have hypertension? [12:17] What they need are fake cockpits [12:17] With fake controls, and fake readings [12:17] 8| [12:17] Hi, btw, Paul. Didn't see you come in. [12:17] So the terrorists take over the wrong one? [12:17] Yeah, so they *think* they're in the cockpit but they're really not. [12:17] hey christy. [12:18] * Paul` looks at keith very blankly. [12:18] would there be fake pilots too? [12:18] I agree, Keith. [12:18] Yeah. [12:18] No, a Fake Autopilot. [12:18] "Rock". [12:19] well, when I first heard about the new york disaster, I automatically thought about keith and christy here [12:19] then [12:19] I heard about DC [12:19] <-6 hours away or so [12:19] and was glad that you weren't there anymore april [12:19] heh. I would've been okay, though. [12:19] yes, well, then I realized you weren't in the city [12:19] :) [12:19] I know you didn't work in the pentagon [12:20] I'm just saying [12:20] I'm glad you weren't there anymore [12:20] Believe it or not, there are three people in my office with ties back to NYC or the Pentagon. [12:20] wow [12:20] Colleen's family lives in Manhattan - midtown. [12:20] Barbara's brother-in-law works for the joint chiefs of staff and his office is at the pentagon. [12:21] "I hope the government doesn't just arbitrarily select an enemy" <--good [12:21] Sally's sister lives in downtown DC, near the Capitol. [12:21] has she heard anything? (joint chiefs of staff lady) [12:21] No. [12:21] Nothing. [12:21] gak! [12:21] Colleen's familiy is okay. [12:21] that's good [12:22] I was listening to the radio, and this guy had lost his two kids [12:22] Apparently her brother left the WTC after pulling an all-nighter (he's a network guy) at 8:30am. [12:22] one was at school, the other was with the babysitter at home [12:22] OH MY GOD! [12:22] Missing the first strike by like 20 minutes. [12:22] ack. [12:23] wow, I'm sure he's kissing his own ass right now looking for horseshoes [12:23] I believe the news media is behind this [12:23] there hasn't been anything "interesting" to report lately [12:23] so, they created some news [12:23] Bin Laden is innocent! [12:24] Disclaimer: Alica is hopped up on Nyquil, pay her no mind. [12:24] we talked about thhis in sculpture. [12:24] heh! [12:24] I had to have a Vodka when I first saw the news [12:24] I parsed that as "scripture". [12:24] hah. [12:25] i had to have some chunky soup [12:25] nyquil doesn't get me "hopped up" [12:25] actually, that's what I was making when I heard about it [12:25] i felt sick and nauseous. [12:25] then I had some lemon tea to soothe my throat [12:25] i didn't feel sick [12:25] i was just angry [12:25] I hate to say it, guys, but I've gotta go. Feel better, everyone. Thank god no one we know has been hurt. [12:25] *** ParilatWork (JavaClient@e7871512.dbcf283e.net.hmsk) Quit (Quit: http://cookie.sorcery.net/~ircd_/javachat/) [12:26] my friend was scared for her soon to be ex husband (though she can't figure out why) but, she was reassured when she finally got through to someone in his family that he wasn't in the city today [12:26] so, that's good news [12:26] yeah. [12:26] not cool, not cool. [12:27] and this just reaffirms my decision not to live in New York City :) [12:27] mine too. [12:27] new york city is too expensive to live in [12:27] never mind madmen blowing you up [12:28] too fucking crowded, plus you can't own a car because it's a pain in the ass. [12:28] Plus you have to listen to Woody Allen whining all the time [12:28] heh [12:28] oooo...the BBC world news is talking about a Wag the Dog scenario going on here [12:28] MTV just now suspended programming [12:28] assholes [12:28] YEAH [12:28] I WANTED TO SEE RAP VIDEOS [12:28] jeez [12:28] I WANT MY MTV [12:29] QVC has BEEN suspending their programming [12:29] huh. [12:29] i hit the wrong channel into the remote, that's how I found out [12:29] people in jerusalem are dancing in the streets. [12:29] :| [12:29] NUKE THEIR ASS AND TAKE THE GAS [12:29] riiight [12:29] ook [12:29] from their ass? [12:30] i'm going to take more nyquil and watch the news [12:30] that should make it REALLY interesting [12:30] night guys [12:30] later alica. [12:30] *** Alica (al@a7255280.tnt1.west-palm-beach.fl.da.140562b5.net.hmsk) Quit (Quit: alone again, naturally) [12:30] that song is depressing. [12:31] Which one ? [12:32] Everything's depressing today [12:33] I am extremely thankful nobody I know was hurt [12:34] 'alone again naturally'. [12:34] oh god, I'm seeing news clips of the fires on the internet now [12:34] doh. [12:35] keep in mind I haven't seen a film of this all day [12:35] because I haven't had a TV [12:35] this is really horrendous [12:35] :( [12:42] Then you haven't seen the shots of the plane careening into the tower, the fireball, and the resultant collapse and mile-wide plume of dust [12:42] You're in for some fun viewing later :P [12:43] yeah [12:43] I'm afraid so. [12:47] *** ResPisces (palme@6ca5ecfe.6ca5ecda.212.151.imsk) has joined #jiggyweek [12:47] Well. [12:50] Hi. [12:50] Hi! [12:51] Egads [12:51] People are clogging hospitals to give blood [12:51] Hello. [12:51] Are you afraid we're going to bomb you? [12:51] We might, you know. [12:51] No, but I'm afraid you're going to bomb Afghanistan. [12:51] Or what-have-you. [12:51] Oh we'll probably do that too. [12:52] Conversation with Kurdish shopkeeper today: [12:52] And Palestine. [12:52] We never much liked Afghanistan anyhow. [12:52] He was watching TV as I was purchasing something; suddenly he went, "shit!". I went, "oh, has something new happened?" [12:52] Turned out he was watching the soccer results. "That other thing I don't give a shit about." [12:52] Ha ha ha. [12:52] "Now they taste their own medicine", etfc. [12:53] Yeah, except the problem is [12:53] We are way, WAY more heavily armed than they are [12:53] (np: Swedish prime minister on the radio.) [12:53] Ha ha! To put it mildly! [12:53] Maybe you can fire-bomb Kurdish shops in Västerås. [12:53] God knows, we just might. [12:54] Seriously, I am afraid what acts of repression the US might reply with. [12:54] IDK about repression [12:54] agression, maybe [12:54] not repression [12:54] Yeah, that's what I meant. [12:54] Yeah, pretty much the whole country is crying out for blood. [12:55] I'm not. [12:55] America wants to find out who's responsible and burn them to the ground. Not necessarily in that order. [12:55] I feel scared/sad, not angry [12:55] Oh, I'm angry. [12:55] maybe after I see footage tonight I'll be angry [12:55] In the case of the bombings of Sudan and Afghanistan, they weren't much concerned with suitable targets, bombing a medicine factory and all. [12:55] But I'm also not out for premature finger-pointing. [12:55] Oh, sure [12:56] But this isn't about suitable targets. [12:56] Palestinians group has denied responsibility. [12:56] Any more than the death penalty is about "deterrence". [12:56] "Palestinian groups have". [12:56] http://www.borealisdesign.com/0911_001.jpg [12:56] Right, of course. [12:56] Well no shit. [12:56] They don't want their country razed to the ground and salted. [12:56] America needs to react the exact same way they did to Aidid [12:56] Ranger and Delta task forces dropped in to arrest and extract [12:56] If it was an act by Palestinian terrorists, they would no doubt claim responsibility. [12:57] rather than a full out missle attack [12:57] What, and have their entire country destroyed? [12:57] Interesting that a BBC reporter had spoken to Bin Laden a few weeks ago and he said that the US would experience some heavy shit in a short while. [12:57] We were wondering if Robert Wyatt had any connection to the bombings. [12:57] Hah! [12:57] Well I mean [12:57] The PENTAGON [12:58] the center of US INDUSTRY [12:58] Sure, and the World Trade Center. [12:58] Yeah [12:58] If the left-wingers were going to blow something up [12:58] Capital/Military complex. [12:58] It would _certainly_ be the military-industrial complex. [12:58] I know CP:ers. They can hardly get a website up. [12:58] Yeah [12:58] That was what we thought. [12:58] "In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart [12:58] by Chaos, [12:58] while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb" , [12:58] "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - Nostradamus [12:58] 1654 [12:58] The left-wing groups/anti-WTO faction [12:59] they're more along the lines of throwing bricks through the windows of "Starbucks". [12:59] Not hijacking four planes and killing tens of thousands. [12:59] Not the CP, no. That's the anarcho types. [12:59] The CP would quote Lenin on "ultra-leftism" and rant about building the working-class party. [12:59] Well, the anarchists are seen as vaguely left-wing over here. [12:59] Sure, but there's left-wing and there's left-wing. [13:00] Any death figures, btw? [13:00] Not as of yet. [13:00] Well, you know, they both read Chomsky, right? [13:00] Maybe Chomsky's behind this. He, Bin Laden and the ghost of Idi Amin. [13:01] Did they get Henry Kissinger? [13:01] I don't think he's in the Pentagon. [13:01] Though I read something about Bush's DOD recently [13:01] But the Foreign Department, or whatever it's called, was bombed too, right? [13:01] Seems Kissinger denounced him. The line was something like "When Dr. Strangelove calls you Dr. Strangelove, you know you're in trouble." [13:01] Hah! [13:01] There was a car bomb outside the state department, I think. [13:01] But it didn't do any damage. [13:02] I'm surprised martial law hasn't been declared yet. [13:02] A lot of people are blaming the bombing on Bush. [13:02] That surprises me as well. [13:03] [Jahweh:#jiggyweek PING] [13:03] Why, what were they saying about Bush? [13:03] Well there are insinuations that it might be a "wag the dog" type situation [13:03] The dollar value plummets; the oil price is rising. [13:03] There are outright accusations ... well, he's an oil baron, remember? [13:03] Bush bombing his own country! [13:03] Right. [13:03] There are outright accusations that this is the inevitable result of Bush's piss-poor foreign policy. [13:03] Well, not actively bombing [13:04] But something like FDR's questionable role in Pearl Harbor. [13:04] Well, US imperialism reaps what it has sown, to put it cynically. [13:04] I don't think US imperialism has much to do with this. [13:04] This is the inevitable result of decades of US involvement in the middle east [13:04] Blaming just Bush is terribly stupid. [13:04] First off, we don't even know where it comes from. [13:04] ugh. [13:05] You support ANYONE in the Middle East, you're equally fucked [13:05] I think it's even premature to blame the Middle East in this regard. [13:05] Remember the Oklahoma bombing, where everyone was talking about "Middle East terrorists" in the beginning. [13:05] Yeah, exactly, Johan [13:05] somone just e-mailed a friend of mine - he said he saw the bombing happen. [13:05] I wasn't sure if you knew about the vast wave of anti-Arab prejudice in the wake of it. [13:05] maybe so, but it's the logical conclusion [13:05] at least this early [13:05] One thing's for sure [13:05] Talibans condemn the attack, apparently! [13:05] No American would think to bomb the world trade center. [13:05] Fuck the Taliban [13:05] Of course they condemn the attack [13:06] They're scared shitless of us [13:06] I want to bomb the Taliban to the stone age just on principle [13:06] Everybody's scared shitless of us [13:06] (Not true about being fucked for supporting anyone in the Middle East, Bleech. It's legitimate to support Palestinian resistance.) [13:06] The Taliban is right now on the horn with Bush saying "Please, PLEASE do not bomb us back to the stone age." [13:06] Talibans do the stone age thing quite nicely on their own. [13:06] No, no [13:06] Too bad Soviet didn't have time to finish what they started in 1980. [13:06] They're in at least the IRON age [13:06] heh [13:07] Careful With That Scimitar, Abdul [13:07] Oh, and apparently Iraq shot down a spy plane. [13:07] ("In Soviet we can go abroad every 12 years. In 1956, we could go to Hungary; in 1968, we could go to Czechoslovakia; in 1980, we could go to Afghanistan!") [13:07] I think they just figured "Ha! Nobody will give a shit about their petty spy plane NOW!" [13:08] Anyway [13:08] The US bombed Iraq earlier today. [13:08] Oh, did we? [13:08] I think so! [13:08] We do that every week anyway. [13:08] But that happens every now and then. [13:08] Right. [13:08] It doesn't even make the news any more. [13:08] We've been bombing them every week since about 1993. [13:08] Most people in America don't even know we're still bombing them. [13:08] Swedish prime minister crying crocodile tears on the radio right now. [13:09] Yeah. Every few weeks Irawi SAMs take a potshot at us over the no-fly zone [13:09] Well, if we still have time to bomb the shit out of Iraq as usual, we can't be that badly hurt [13:09] Maybe we will see a proper financial crisis now. [13:09] This was prior to the bomb attacks. [13:09] "earlier today" = Swedish time. [13:09] Oh, OK. [13:10] I doubt they even bother to consult the President about bombing iraq anymore. [13:10] He got sick of them interrupting his dinner asking for them to bomb Iraq. [13:10] It'd be like if they had to ask him to go to the bathroom every time. [13:10] no. A few SAMs fire off, pilots drop chaff, bomb the site, go home [13:10] Yeah. [13:10] It's kinda like carrying a flyswatter camping [13:10] so no presidential consent required [13:11] I figured as such. [13:11] He was doing some shit at a Florida public school. [13:11] The funny thing about all this was... if it was Palestine, they were gaining public support in the US. [13:12] Due to the latest intifada and the increase in Israeli repression, yes. [13:12] When Israel went and started with the assassinations, a lot of US people were saying "Hey, wait just a second, I think that's going way too far." [13:12] I don't see how the Palestinian groups could possibly have the logistics to carry this through. [13:12] I don't see how _anybody_ could have the logistics to carry this through. [13:12] Except maybe China. [13:13] The strange thing is how a co-ordinated attack could get past security in I don't know how many airports. [13:13] Two or three at least. [13:13] Dulles and Boston. [13:13] US flight security is not exactly minimal. [13:13] The whole thing's strange. [13:13] Right. [13:13] http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-091101wrapscene.story [13:14] God knows how many conspiracy theories we'll get out of it. [13:14] What about plane crashes in Pennsylvania and Maryland? [13:14] I don't know about one in Marylan. [13:14] I think the one in Western PA has been linked to terrorists [13:14] no Maryland crash [13:15] PA = pennsylvania [13:15] yeah. [13:15] Just PA then. [13:15] There were rumors about the Mall of America, early on. [13:16] Anyway, I don't know where in PA the crash was. [13:16] Not much coverage of it. [13:16] Hard to get a full picture now. [13:17] Right, well, a lot of it's classified. [13:17] They've more or less shut down the country. [13:17] They have Pat Buchanan building a barbed-wire fence across the entire length of Mexico right now. [13:17] Is there a real possibility that there'll be martial law? [13:17] Hah! [13:17] I'm surprised it hasn't been declared already. [13:17] Mall of America was closed, yes [13:17] me too. [13:17] Johan - in NYC, almost surely [13:17] Matt: There were rumors it was bombed [13:18] ah [13:18] No, just closed [13:18] State of emergency has been declared in DC. [13:18] Everyplace is closed. [13:18] Except Papa John's. [13:18] The schools let out early. [13:18] Anyway, one rumor I heard is that the PA crash was a hijacking where the pilot said "Fuck you Jack" [13:18] yeah. [13:18] There will probably be a day of mourning or something. [13:19] What surprises me is everyone in the radio going "this is unreal", "I thought this only happened in the movies", etc, as if it would take the bombing of a Western country for people to realise that bombs are real. [13:19] and decided to crash the plane before they could do anything [13:19] Johan - Well, the WTC is for all intents and purposes, the financial epicenter of the world [13:19] Well, America is larger than life. [13:19] Well, I'd be lying if I said I was surprised ... [13:19] I'm surprised about the bombing. [13:19] Sure, I am too. [13:20] I'm not surprised that it's considered more important than bombings in Afghanistan or wherever. [13:20] The US is allegedly a civilized country. [13:20] How civilized it really is is open to debate, of course [13:20] The geopolitical importance is far greater, of course. [13:20] It's hard to get worked up over a bunch of screwheads shooting and bombing each other half a world away. [13:20] Er. [13:20] A bomb in the middle east doesn't have much impact. [13:20] It's expected. [13:20] Same thing with Ireland. [13:21] yes. [13:21] It's more or less a way of life. [13:21] New York is, traditionally anyway, not a location of great civil unrest [13:21] Well, 1996 it was reported that 450,000 children had died due to lack of medicine after US sanctions against Iraque. I didn't hear Mr Persson crying about that on the radio. [13:21] Not since Giuliani took over, at least. Heh heh heh. [13:21] *** pviLULL (charlesm@ada22fee.stcl1.mi.283197b4.com.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [13:21] HOLY FUCKING SHIT. [13:22] Yes. [13:22] You just found out? [13:22] Fuck Iraq. [13:22] No. [13:22] Or di dyou find out that Radiohead is playing a benefit concert? :) [13:22] I didn't find out until 11 this morning, though. [13:22] Fuck YOU if that's all you have to say in that case. [13:22] They have no problem smuggling in more SAMs and weapons, I don't wanna hear their excuses [13:22] Now now [13:22] Sorry. [13:22] Johan, the thing is, America doesn't really give two shits for the rest of the world. [13:22] _particularly_ with Bush in office. [13:22] Too true. [13:23] This is a fucking Jerry Bruckheimer movie gone sour. [13:23] All I'm saying is, Iraq needs to get its priorities straight. [13:23] Iraq? [13:23] What's this Iraq stuff? [13:23] Unrelated comments, Jon [13:23] We bombed Iraq again. [13:23] Yeah. Different discussions. [13:23] Or, the drone? [13:23] On general principle. [13:23] and I asked earlier when Bruckheimer would sign Michael Bay on to direct the movie version [13:24] Anyway, perhaps it's a little insensitive [13:24] But it's either that or let him go off building chemical weapons. [13:24] I need to go donate blood. [13:24] sometime today. [13:24] Part of Iraq's problem is they have a screwhead in charge. [13:24] Well. I'm going to make some tea. brb! [13:24] We killed a couple million of their people fair and square, and they need to comply with the terms of the peace agreement we forced them into signing. [13:25] Frankly I'm surprised bio-warfare wasn't involved in this one. [13:25] Dave: You saw Yorke's comments on the sound of Amnesiac before it was released, right? [13:25] It's well established that the US is virtually defenseless against biological warfare [13:25] "The sound of aircraft colliding." [13:25] Jon: What's that, "The sound of the world tr..." [13:25] Oh. [13:25] It doesn't sound much like that, then, does it? [13:25] He never said with what, but now we know, I guess. [13:25] I mean, the actual explosion didn't sound a bit like wanky techno. [13:25] I can't keep Like Spinning Plates out of my head. [13:26] Anyway [13:26] For 50K, any country could have their very own anthrax plant [13:26] I'm fucking angry at the people behind this. [13:26] The US needs to stock up on Penicillin bombs [13:26] They've pretty much killed any chance at peace, haven't they? [13:26] I'm angry, incredulous, and sorrowful. [13:26] We don't know who "they" are. [13:26] No. [13:27] But, really... [13:27] We have no clue who "they" are. [13:27] It could be Robert Wyatt behind the whole thing. [13:27] oh FUCKING CHRIST YOU VULTURES [13:27] bin Ladin was talking recently about a big offensive against the US. [13:27] Yes, but when _isn't_ he? [13:27] Vultures? [13:27] The camera just followed someone falling from like the 90th floor all the way down [13:27] Ick [13:28] That reminds me of a Blue Jam bit [13:28] GAH. [13:28] Someone lit on fire [13:28] You watching the amateur vid on CNN? [13:28] On camera [13:28] So the director yelled "Half of you keep filming and half of you stop, and put her out right now, but not yet!" [13:28] Eh. [13:28] no, CBS [13:28] I'm going to go do something. [13:28] I don't know what yet. [13:28] OK [13:28] Give blood now, maybe. [13:28] Well, don't go off bombing any foreign countries yet [13:29] Not for at least another fifteen minutes [13:29] I'm not angry at countries, I'm angry at terrorists. [13:29] Well the terrorists are all dead anyhow. [13:29] They blew up with the planes. [13:29] You can't hardly kill them if they're already dead. [13:29] I'm angry that this is going to turn American opinion completely against the Palestinians. [13:29] Aw, shaddup. [13:30] Anyway. [13:30] TTYL. [13:30] American opinion was oging _towards_ the Palestinians. [13:30] Later. [13:30] And if you hear a plain, run. [13:30] =| [13:30] PLANE [13:30] Gah. [13:30] *** pviLULL (charlesm@ada22fee.stcl1.mi.283197b4.com.hmsk) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [13:30] There are no planes in the air. [13:30] We have no idea if Palestinians were involved. [13:30] No, we don't. [13:30] But that's what people are assuming right now. [13:30] I'm not. [13:30] they sure as hell seem to be in agreement with the situation. [13:30] I'm quite deliberately not. [13:31] If they're in agreement with it, they're even more stupid than they think they are. [13:31] then there you go. [13:31] I mean [13:31] I would at least save the celebrations [13:31] Until after I knew my country wasn't going to be flattened. [13:31] So if it was Palestine [13:31] What do you think the chances are that Israel knew about it, but didn't tell us? [13:32] Now it's all talk about better security, etc. I'd like someone to say the simple truth: that the best security is to stop the exploitation and oppression against foregin states, and the end of US militarism. [13:32] I don't see what US militarism has to do with this. [13:32] See, Johan [13:32] Living in the US, you come to accept certain things [13:32] I wonder if those kids had any outcast friends who refused to celebrate the attacks. [13:32] One of those things is that people will hate you. [13:32] People will hate you no matter what you do. [13:33] Its countless victims ... Latin America, Asia, Middle East ... heightening world tension, etc. [13:33] i'm not saying the palestinians were directly involved, what i am saying is that even if they weren't, they were glad about it. [13:33] Stopping US militarism won't solve the problem. [13:33] Now it's all talk about better security, etc. I'd like someone to say the simple truth: that the best security is to stop the exploitation and oppression against foregin states, and the end of US militarism. <--it's working well for Canada [13:33] Johan - And then we face foreign anger because we won't DO something [13:33] Kosovo, for example [13:33] Oh, if the US wasn't here they'd fucking well bomb Canada. [13:34] That anger is only the result of the US's "world cop" status. [13:34] anyway, this sucks. i gotta go check in for class. i hope no one you guys know were hurt. [13:34] *** Paul` is now known as PaulAFK [13:34] I gotta check the phone and stuff [13:34] Bbiab [13:34] *** AcousticSavant (sdfggz@28320860.lead.dial.6ca6e86e.net.hmsk) Quit (Quit: helpt kinderen in nood) [13:35] But if we don't intervene, we're accused of being "isolationist" and of not being a GOOD WORLD CITIZEN. [13:35] Yes, we have a "world cop" status. Because people keep ASKING US FOR HELP. [13:35] In some cases BEGGING us for help. [13:35] Cause and effect. [13:36] It's not so much cause and effect as the five hundred pound gorilla thing. [13:36] It's a situation of people thinking "SOMEBODY needs to save the world". [13:36] And because we're the most powerful nation, expecting us to do it. [13:37] How many countries are going to send aid workers, money, etc. to us to help out with this ? [13:37] I'd wager none [13:37] Actually [13:37] Britain has already pledged their help [13:37] I am still scared that this is not over. [13:37] I'm scared that buildings will get bombed tonight. [13:38] But an earthquake damages any city in the world, we're expected to send all we got [13:38] Buildings will get bombed where? How? [13:38] I don't know. [13:38] The country is in lockdown. [13:38] And will stay that way for quite some time. [13:38] My other fear: That we dont' ever find out who did this. [13:38] And persecute the wrong people. [13:38] Because the public demands that somebody take responsibility. [13:39] You know my fear? [13:39] That George Bush will come out of this looking like a leader [13:39] And win re-election on the basis of this alone. [13:39] Well, I think that would be a good thing [13:39] but not the re-election. :-) [13:39] Yeah [13:40] If this is Palestine, I can't see how this is the result of US intervention. [13:40] The US isn't quarantining Palestinian settlements. [13:41] Story going around is that the Pennsylvania plane was actually shot down [13:41] Pentagon denies it for now tho [13:41] To the best of my knowledge the US isn't doing _anything_ aside from "Gee, we sure do like Israel". [13:41] All these stories are plausible, but lack evidence. [13:42] OK. [13:42] I gotta go. [13:42] Catch you guys all in a bit. [13:43] *** Jahweh (Jahweh@bd6d1c19.stryave1.ky.283197b4.com.hmsk) Quit (Quit: Rats trained by: JOHN HOLMES) [13:44] 2100 wounded so far [13:51] I want to go home. [14:00] BAHAAHHAHA a press conference with the head of the RCMP [14:02] OK, I'm going home [14:02] bbiab [14:02] *** ChristyWork (NOSPRINGS@14055a95.14055af6.205.232.imsk) Quit (Quit: ChristyWork) [14:05] *** MisterPervert (misterperv@dd9ca83f.tmns.6ca6d828.au.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [14:06] hi guys - FUCK - I'm just getting the news now [14:09] *** ResPisces (palme@6ca5ecfe.6ca5ecda.212.151.imsk) Quit (Quit: 3) [14:13] Just now ? [14:16] It's 7am here Matt and I just woke up [14:17] (7.20 akshully0 [14:17] aah [14:17] Yeah [14:17] It's absolutely ... [14:17] This is what it must be like if, I dunno, the Sydney Opera House fell down for an australian [14:17] There is no valid comparison [14:18] I was just saying to my wife that whoever the hell did it has (I believe) just to be recognized as having declared war on the US [14:18] new york station reports that soot, ash, and dust is 2 feet deep [14:18] It's really terrifying, even over here [14:18] it's like walking in snow [14:18] Yeah [14:18] Fort Bragg, which I'm adjacent to, is on lockdown [14:18] nods [14:18] all the nuke plants in the state are [14:18] some transportation to Virginia is cut off [14:19] and there are supposedly armed guards roaming downtown Charlotte [14:19] It's just unbelievable - I'm numb here - numb and shivering with goosebumps [14:19] All across the country we're edging close to martial law [14:19] Nothing in the history of this country that it can be compared to, really [14:20] They're talking about Afghanstani nuts being responsible - these are the fuckheads which have been trying to get into THIS country lately [14:20] no, it's stunning in its unbelievableness [14:20] Not even Pearl Harbor can really be compared to it [14:20] Not in terms of death toll, nor symbolism [14:21] nods [14:21] Have you heard from Keith or Christy? [14:22] It's going to be war - I can feel it [14:23] yeah, they're across the state from NYC [14:23] Afghanistan is going to be (and should be) erased from the face of the earth [14:23] oh, that's good news :) [14:23] Building 7 just went [14:24] buiding 7 ? [14:24] yeah [14:24] there are several buildings in the trade center complex [14:24] oh, ok [14:24] the 2 towers collapsed, the others were burning [14:24] a Fox News correspondent allegedly called in on her cell phone....she was a passenger on the plane [14:24] how many ppl usually work in the towers? I remember hearing years ago it was something like 20,000 [14:24] she called it in and stayed on till impact [14:25] 50,000 [14:25] omg [14:25] FUCK] [14:25] Yep. [14:26] Even estimating a death toll for now is futile [14:26] yes ... it's just uncomprehensible [14:26] over 2100 wounded for certain at the very least [14:28] They keep repeating the video of the impact [14:29] the tv is on in the other room here ... all stations are covering it [14:29] * MisterPervert is wandering back and forth from here to there [14:31] 100 dead in the Pentagon, and that attack was far less significant [14:31] nods [14:42] *** PaulAFK is now known as Paul` [14:42] er, fuck. 100 dead so far at the pentagon? [14:43] estimated, yes [14:45] hmm. [14:45] matt, do you still have the watching tv mpg i started to send? [14:45] yep [14:45] let me know when you want to resume it. [14:46] sure, sned now if ya like. [14:46] alright. [14:51] hm, not working. [14:51] I didn't even get a DCC Send notice [14:51] hmm, hang on [14:52] ok, just did it. [14:52] there we go [14:52] 3 days! yes! [14:53] * Paul` beats head on table [14:53] JESUS FUCKING CHRIST [14:53] hmm? [14:53] There is new footage...on the ground looking straight up at the tower as it explodes [14:53] and the guy in front of the camera just jumps out of his skin [14:54] agh. where? [14:54] CBS [14:54] It's over now, but they just got in so they'll certainly repeat it soon [14:55] ahh [14:56] huh - footage of a guy on the 82nd floor who survived [14:57] who SURVIVED ? A jumper ? [14:57] There was a doctor running around on the ground with a video recorder - he shot that footage - incredible! [14:58] That's going next to the Zapruder film [14:58] matt - i dunno, but - http://www.abcnews.com/sections/us/video_index/WTC_attack_video_index.html [14:58] in the National Archives [14:58] trying to view it now [14:59] oh gawd [14:59] CNN - bombs going off in Afghanistan [14:59] headline on cbsnews : DAY OF INFAMY [14:59] Khabul being straffed with missiles [15:00] matt? [15:00] :| [15:00] cbsnew.com [15:00] Khabul ? [15:00] yeah Paul ? [15:00] The capital of Afghanistan [15:00] (Kabul sp?) [15:00] oh, i was referring to 'oh gawd' [15:03] Wow, Dan Rather just said "This just in" [15:04] oops. [15:05] hmm, the survivor didn't fall from *that* height [15:05] he evacuated from that height? [15:05] hmm. [15:09] brb - reconnecting [15:09] *** Paul` (paul@14055af0.6ca5f081.128.125.imsk) has left #jiggyweek [15:12] *** Paul` (paul@14055af0.6ca5f081.128.125.imsk) has joined #jiggyweek [15:12] ok. [15:16] *** Christy` (nein@28320934.lead.dial.6ca6e86e.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [15:17] hello. [15:18] Hi again. [15:18] The only channel we get is FOX, and they're just playing Judge Judy and Simpsons. It feels like today wasn't real at all. [15:19] some of the teachers here treat it like that. [15:20] I still have not seen any actual filmed coverage. [15:20] just pictures on the net. And not a lot of those. [15:20] Lots of new footage on CBS [15:20] http://www.abcnews.com/sections/us/video_index/WTC_attack_video_index.html [15:20] One filmed right under the tower as the plane hit [15:20] there you are, christy, if you've realplayer. [15:20] Oh, god. [15:20] Well, I don't have realplayer......... [15:20] some guy is on a cell phone, suddenly the plane enters from the left in slo-mo [15:20] oh, sorry. [15:21] and completely penetrates the building before the explosion, and the guy on the cell phone nearly shits himself [15:21] I did, Paul, but it made my computer blue-screen, so I uninstalled it. [15:21] sorry, that sucks. [15:21] ick, matt [15:21] I'm going out to get the evening edition of the paper here in a few [15:21] there was this woman who was talking on her cell to her husband who was in the building [15:21] yeah [15:21] ugh. [15:22] he was IN the building ? [15:22] That was the Pentagon call, right ? [15:22] Oh my god [15:22] Cause some general's wife was on the phone with him as it was hijacked and crashed [15:22] i don't know - [15:23] but she was talking with him when the building came down [15:23] oh, and since you left Christy, building 7 of the WTC plaza collapsed [15:23] and a news reporter was in the plane's bathroom telling her husband on her cell they were being hijacked. [15:23] ugh ugh ugh. [15:23] where you seeing this, Paul ? [15:23] Building 7? [15:23] a friend of mine in new york saw this on tv [15:23] Is that a building close by? [15:24] Christy - There are several buildings in the World Trade Center [15:24] she was just relaying this information to me a few minutes ago [15:24] OK. [15:24] not just the two towers [15:24] but still, UGH. [15:24] yeah [15:24] BRB [15:25] My name is Ghostdog, and my anti-drug is SEX. [15:25] *** AcousticSavant (sdfggz@28320934.lead.dial.6ca6e86e.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [15:25] [AcousticSavant SOUND] [15:25] brb [15:25] hello keith. [15:26] Hey. [15:26] How did GD lose his @? [15:26] you ask that like he lost his virginity or something. [15:26] As a concerned parent, I want to know. [15:27] brb. going across the street for the evening paper [15:27] *** Christy` is now known as ChristyAFK [15:30] I lost my @ when I was having my way with the fire hydrant across the pizzeria. [15:30] Sorry, Mom. [15:33] the third building to come down was 47 stories [15:34] Paul - Resume DCC ? [15:35] alright [15:35] sneding [15:35] Thankee [15:35] np. [15:41] *** Q-TDSK (yudi@2a182e63.austin.14056255.com.hmsk) has joined #JiggyWeek [15:41] [Q-TDSK SOUND] [15:41] Hey All [15:41] hello tom. [15:41] What a day [15:41] yeah. [15:42] When'd you find out about it all? [15:42] i guess someone i know indirectly ahs family who works at the pentagon, just found out - he's still trying to contact them. [15:42] i found about it at sculpture class - didn't even know until 9 am. [15:42] Wow [15:42] I heard it on the radio as I was driving into work [15:42] and what also sucks is that their parents are on vacation. [15:43] very surreal. [15:43] *** Bleech_ (nunya@91406f00.nc.14056255.com.hmsk) Quit (Connection reset by peer) [15:43] the guy's going out of his mind now. [15:44] It was extremely surreal. I kept thinking of the War of the Worlds thing [15:44] I can imagine he is [15:44] I mean, they were interviewing an eyewitness to the first crash [15:44] When the second one happenecd [15:45] and i read the sydney paper online, and they were talking about how someone was waiting for the elevator, and it blew open, and this guy was dragged out, and his skin was hanging off of him. [15:45] *** Bleech_ (nunya@91406f00.nc.14056255.com.hmsk) has joined #JiggyWeek [15:45] rehi [15:45] Dammit [15:45] It sounded so dramatic, that it was hard to process as real [15:45] Hey Matt [15:45] howdy [15:45] Damn [15:46] shall i resume, matt? [15:46] just a sec [15:46] sure, sned [15:46] alright [15:47] Well, gotta go [15:47] Just wanted to check in [15:47] Probably bbl [15:47] *** Q-TDSK (yudi@2a182e63.austin.14056255.com.hmsk) Quit (Quit: We rescue thee, O Baass, from the damp earth and honour thee. O Connibell, with mouth burial!) [15:51] whew. the guy's family at the pentagon is ok. [16:05] Back. [16:05] *** ChristyAFK is now known as Christy` [16:05] NOBODY in this fucking city has the evening edition of the newspaper. [16:05] hi Christy [16:06] <-- is so totally stunned by what has happened [16:06] Mrs. B, is that you? [16:06] yep :) [16:06] How's it going? [16:06] Aside from the catastrophe - fine [16:06] Bleech: the third building in NY, did it come down as a result of the other two, you mean? [16:06] And why is everybody broadcasting with realmedia? Realplayer fucking sucks and I refuse to install it. [16:07] *** Jahweh (Jahweh@bd6d1c19.stryave1.ky.283197b4.com.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [16:07] [Jahweh SOUND] [16:07] ahoy Dave [16:07] 'lo, dave. [16:08] yes. [16:10] *** jahw (Jahweh@bd6d1c19.stryave1.ky.283197b4.com.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [16:10] [jahw SOUND] [16:10] missiles were seen and explosions were heard in the capital city of Afghanistan. [16:10] WTF? [16:10] When did this happen? [16:10] a few hours ago, CHristy [16:11] * MisterPervert thinks they are bombing themselves in an effort to "justify" going to war with the US [16:11] Christ [16:12] hahahahahaha [16:12] *** Jahweh (Jahweh@bd6d1c19.stryave1.ky.283197b4.com.hmsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [16:12] *** jahw is now known as Jahweh [16:14] What? [16:14] It kindof makes all the ballyhoo here (about the Afghan refugees) moot [16:14] BREAKING [16:14] NEWS Afghanistan opposition claims responsibility for Kabul explosions. Details soon. [16:14] They're prolly boatloads of ppl on jihad frenzy missions [16:15] Not sure what ballyhoo you mean [16:16] We're had a problem in the past few weeks with hundreds of illegal refugees from Afghanistan arriving in boats from Indonesia [16:17] We being in Australia [16:17] '2..5..0...0...0..jihad.' [16:18] heh [16:18] oh yeah [16:18] i heard about the afghan refugees [16:18] that was pretty fucking funny [16:18] they put them all on a ship [16:18] and you said you wouldn't take them [16:18] and then new zealand said "We'll take them!" [16:19] and then the ship refused to drop them off at new zealand [16:20] heh [16:20] NZ also said they'd never make it to NZ cause "Australia is in the way" *chuckle* [16:20] heh heh heh [16:20] On one of the ships, they went on a hunger strike to protest not being allowed into AUs [16:21] they SEWED UP THE LIPS OF THEIR CHILDREN so they couldn't eat [16:21] Oh my god!! [16:21] ask me? I don't think these are the types of people we want as citizens anyway [16:21] true, Christy [16:21] ha. [16:21] That's *insane*. [16:21] yes, it is - totally insane [16:21] they're fruit-loops [16:22] i saw somebody sew up their lips once [16:22] heh ... Jim Rose Circus? [16:22] but they were part of a freak-show [16:22] yes, actually [16:22] heh [16:22] * MisterPervert does lame "Lizard Man" impressions [16:22] *** pviLULL (charlesm@ada22fee.stcl1.mi.283197b4.com.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [16:22] mmmm, fr00t l00pz0r [16:23] you nkow [16:23] Thoughts, MadKen? [16:23] i came to the decision that i would not let a despicable act of cowardice interfere with my life [16:23] Knives. [16:23] this was, unfortunately, shortly thereafter followed by the revelation that i do not have a life. [16:23] I can't believe they used fucking knives and box cutters. [16:23] ahoyz Jon - no, it's the "other" Ken :) [16:23] That's why you're mad, mad I tell you [16:24] Jon - Food for thought for the gun control crowd, I suppose [16:24] heh [16:24] absolutely, Matt ... in this country too [16:24] uh. [16:24] knives and box cutters [16:24] ? [16:24] yep. [16:24] It's just astounding that nobody stood up to them. [16:24] Yes. They hijacked the plane with knives and box cutters. [16:24] Killed flight attendants and, I'm assuming, the pilots with them [16:24] Next month, this city (herre, Brisbane, AUs) is hosting the Commonwealth Heads Of Government Summit [16:24] It's insane. [16:24] Yes, astounding indeed [16:25] um. [16:25] three people could have taken one of these shitheads easily [16:25] They didn't kill anyone on the plane that hit the Pentagon [16:25] Just herded them in back [16:25] And locked them out [16:25] * MisterPervert shakes head in disbelief [16:26] Well they killed them all, of course. [16:26] so are you saying this could have been quite preventable? [16:26] Explosions lit up the night sky in Kabul, Afghanistan CNN reported . [16:26] The Cable News Network showed footage of a series of flashes and flames in [16:26] the Afghan capital. [16:26] ``There are missiles flying across the city ... apparently large incoming [16:26] missiles,'' a CNN reporter said. [16:26] Of course, Paul [16:26] Eventually, yes, Dav [16:26] e [16:26] Jesus. [16:26] Knives. [16:27] Knives out. [16:27] -----> A vote has been called to kick pvilull [16:27] -----> To vote to kick pvilull type /msg ghostdog kick pvilull [16:27] -----> Total votes needed to kick pvilull ...... 4 [16:27] -----> Total votes registered so far ...... 1 [16:27] -----> +1 Vote to kick pvilull ( 1 counted so far / 4 required to kick) [16:27] Do we know who they were? [16:27] Who was that? [16:27] Who did it. [16:28] No. [16:28] Not yet. [16:29] someone claimed responsibility for the Palestinian Democratic Resistance Front (IIRC, that was the name), but they made a huge deal about denying it. [16:29] Lord, they're singing patriotic songs on the Capitol steps [16:29] The Taliban deny any responsibility [16:29] God. [16:29] Congress singing "God Bless America" [16:29] Yes. See my post to the list about jingosim. [16:29] That's a fucking awful song. [16:29] Don't they know New York is filled with SODOMITES? [16:29] HEH [16:30] Especially Rochester [16:30] An astute observation. [16:30] Anyway, I'm heading out again. [16:30] And, Dave, I am sure some southern fundamentalist groups are pointing that very fact out. [16:30] I'm depressed and am gonna drown my sorrows in Calculus. [16:30] feel better, Jon. [16:30] *** pviLULL (charlesm@ada22fee.stcl1.mi.283197b4.com.hmsk) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [16:30] drown his sorrows in calculus? [16:30] is that like fighting fire with fire? [16:30] did Peter Jennings' voice just break ? [16:30] Yes. [16:30] basically. [16:30] to the former, dunno about the latter. [16:32] tired, tired, tired. [16:32] man, i can't believe i was going to bed right before this happened. [16:37] I did nothing at work today. [16:37] I set up one hosting account, talked to two customers on the phone. [16:37] That's it. [16:37] I was in shock all day. [16:37] And it wasn't a selfish sort of shock; it had nothing to do with me personally or worrying about anybody I knew, because I don't know anybody in NYC [16:38] yeah [16:38] It was just very difficult for my mind to comprehend and come to terms with, I guess. Also very much freaked me out that I'm in the same state that this happened in. [16:38] And I am not used to being in New York when the shit hits, I guess. [16:38] :( [16:39] I feel a kind of "1 degree of seperation" here, Christy [16:39] I have to admit the infant in me wanted to drive down to Kentucky where it's "safe" [16:39] But then I realized, duh, that's where Fort Knox is, and that's probably a prime target for anybody trying to bring the US down. [16:39] heh [16:39] I don't understand why they keep using the term "cowardly" [16:40] Because Clinton said it when McVeigh bombed the Alfred P. Murrah building, and that's all they can come up with. [16:40] because bush doesn't know any other word. [16:40] Also because 95% of the US population has a 3rd grade reading level and are trying to apply adjectives to what defies any adjective known to us. [16:41] If Quag was president, none of this would have happened [16:41] I don't think I want anybody I know to be president. [16:41] Or at least we'd have a more articulate president [16:41] I'd live in constant terror that my friend would get assassinated. [16:41] If Quag was president, everyone would be high at Camp David [16:41] at least i'm not president. [16:42] ghostdog could be president. no one can assassinate a bot. [16:42] !8ball Can you be assassinated? [16:42] -----> Christy` (Re): Can you be assassinated? [16:42] -----> #Jiggyweek. Tuesdays this autumn on ABC. [16:42] Rather just said "this just in" again [16:42] !8ball would you run for prez? [16:42] -----> AcousticSavant (Re): would you run for prez? [16:42] -----> Oh, hot diggity, dog ziggity, boom what you do to me [16:42] Holy Christ. [16:42] 200 firefighters dead [16:42] !8ball Would you like to be President? [16:42] -----> Christy` (Re): Would you like to be President? [16:42] -----> I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac. [16:42] Oh my god, Matt [16:42] ack! [16:43] :( [16:43] I can't comprehend this, not really [16:43] *** Abysinthe (ugh@16c55190.flint1.mi.283197b4.com.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [16:43] *** Abysinthe (ugh@16c55190.flint1.mi.283197b4.com.hmsk) has left #jiggyweek [16:43] lavidaloca, eh? [16:44] whatever gets his motor running. [16:46] I'm gonna click on the "major sports events postponed" link just out of spite [16:46] Why the hell people have such reverence for sports [16:47] It just goes to show........ the World Trade Center can collapse, the Pentagon can go up in flames........and the JOEL guy will keep on going and going and going and going ....... like a fucking cockroach. [16:47] HEY IDIOTS, YOURE BASEBALL GAME DOESN'T MATTER IN THIS CONTEXT [16:47] YOUR [16:47] it's just [16:47] joel? [16:47] "absynthe" [16:47] sounds gawth [16:47] oh wait "abysinthe" [16:47] that's even worse [16:48] The Joel guy isn't letting an act of terrorism change his lifestyle [16:48] joel's the energizer bunny. [16:48] Paul, yeah, this summer, all this summer.......... [16:48] Yankee Stadium, perhaps the building that most symbolizes American sports, was evacuated within 90 minutes of the first attacks on the World Trade Center. [16:48] This drunk guy wanders around near our house bellowing "JOEL" on weekends [16:48] at night [16:49] Yeah, we should be SO LUCKY that they would ever think to bomb Yankee Stadium [16:49] Keith, you are not a very good New Yorker. [16:49] Heh [16:49] christy - sounds fun. [16:49] keith handy - the un new yorker. [16:50] How about an article "KEITH HANDY DOESN'T BOTHER TO CALL THE TEMP SERVICE TODAY DUE TO BOMBING TRAGEDY" [16:50] signed, mom? [16:50] :| [16:51] frog. [16:51] my friend said that bin Laden took credit earlier in the day, and said that a [16:51] dude named Hamas (?) took credit also. [16:51] Commissioner Tim Finchem said the American Express Championship in St. Louis, featuring Tiger Woods and top players from tours around the world, would begin Friday with 36 holes. [16:51] "This is a sad, sad day in America," Woods said after playing a practice round, which he began about two hours before the initial attack. [16:51] Someone explain to me why this article is on CNN and not the Onion [16:51] heh [16:51] JESUS [16:52] what?? [16:52] Mackie CORRECTED somebody on something [16:52] and was RIGHT [16:52] hmm? [16:52] You scared us [16:52] Mackie: [16:52] Hamas is not a bloke. Its a Palestinian organisation. From what I have heard [16:52] they have denied it. [16:52] oh. [16:52] HE'S RIGHT!!!! [16:52] HE'S COMPLETELY FUCKING RIGHT!!!! [16:52] yes, it's one of Bin Laden's militant terrorist orgs [16:52] (Hamas) [16:52] hamas are a _group_ of blokes then. [16:53] well see above [16:53] as opposed to Hommus, which is a sesame-seed butter [16:53] With air traffic stopped across the country, several golfers were unable to get to St. Louis. Among those stranded were PGA champion David Toms, Phil Mickelson and Davis Love III. [16:53] Poor golfers [16:53] Whatever will they do [16:53] ha, ken [16:53] Hummus. Mmmmm. [16:53] GUYS, HEY, MAYBE IF THEY'RE BLOWING UP YOUR COUNTRY IT'S NOT A GOOD DAY FOR GOLF [16:53] Maybe they should FUCK OFF [16:53] I wish Southpark Kenny was real ... HE'D save us! [16:53] *** Jahweh changes topic to ' GUYS, HEY, MAYBE IF THEY'RE BLOWING UP YOUR COUNTRY IT'S NOT A GOOD DAY FOR GOLF' [16:53] Yeah. [16:53] i guess tiger woods is just going to have to forget about his next ferrari that he can't drive yet anyway because he doesn't have a driver's license. [16:54] bad news indeed. The flow of casualties into hospitals has slowed or halted [16:54] he's not going to have one for a couple of years. [16:54] er, doh. [16:55] They're throwing "cowardly" around the way FDR used "dastardly" [16:56] HEY CHICKEN SHIT, BOK BOK BOK BOOOOOOK, WHATCHA GONNA DO, FLY AN AIRPLANE INTO A BUILDING, CHICKEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNN???? BOK BOOOOOK!!!!! [16:56] one of these days, matt will get this dcc completed. [16:56] heheh [16:56] =| [16:57] Christy, it's almost 8 [16:57] OK. I'm going to the bathroom then gonna watch the news [16:57] bbiab [16:57] *** Christy` is now known as ChristyAFK [16:57] that means food time. [16:57] it's 8 already. [16:57] FOX couldn't lose it's syndicated rerun sponsors, so it had to show regular shows from 5 - 8 [16:57] And it's the only station we can tune in [16:58] yow. [16:58] cowardly is so they can make them feel better [16:59] ok, off to check in again. [16:59] *** Paul` is now known as PaulAFK [16:59] Gonna disconnect 'n' call me mum [16:59] L8rz [16:59] *** AcousticSavant (sdfggz@28320934.lead.dial.6ca6e86e.net.hmsk) Quit (Quit: helpt kinderen in nood) [17:02] so [17:02] are we bombing them? [17:02] or what? [17:03] *** ChristyAFK (nein@28320934.lead.dial.6ca6e86e.net.hmsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [17:04] nope [17:04] an Anti-Taliban group claimed responsibility for a rocket attack [17:05] that's [17:05] i don't know [17:05] convenient [17:05] well, the Taliban killed their leader last week after all [17:20] oh great [17:20] somebody posted a neal morse solo album to the prog newsgroup [17:20] as if today wasn't bad ENOUGH [17:33] *** Jahweh (Jahweh@bd6d1c19.stryave1.ky.283197b4.com.hmsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [17:34] *** jahw (Jahweh@bd6d1c19.stryave1.ky.283197b4.com.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [17:34] [jahw SOUND] [17:35] it shouldn'e be long before the pix of ppl who jumped are on the net, eh? [17:42] *** Jahweh (Jahweh@bd6d1c19.stryave1.ky.283197b4.com.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [17:42] FREE PAULA POUNDSTONE [17:42] [Jahweh SOUND] [17:45] *** jahw (Jahweh@bd6d1c19.stryave1.ky.283197b4.com.hmsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [17:46] Gawd. [17:47] Shots of the morgue outside of the Pentagon [17:47] and that was way too short to be a full adult body [17:50] *** Q-TDSK (yudi@2a182e63.austin.14056255.com.hmsk) has joined #JiggyWeek [17:50] [Q-TDSK SOUND] [17:50] Evening [17:50] hello [17:50] Heh. Strange sentence fragment to walk into [17:50] which one ? [17:51] and that was way too short to be a full adult body [17:51] oy, one of us must be lagged [17:51] [20:46] Gawd. [17:51] [20:47] Shots of the morgue outside of the Pentagon [17:51] [20:47] and that was way too short to be a full adult body [17:51] [20:50] *** Q-TDSK is on IRC [17:51] or something [17:52] hiya Tom [17:52] Apparently the plane that hit the Pentagon was low enough that it clipped off the light poles on the 14th St/Arland Williams Bridge [17:52] Hey Ken [17:53] What's up with you? [17:53] Right, Matt. Pretty morbid [17:53] Not much - just watching WWIII unfold [17:54] It's utterly unbelievable,Tom [17:54] It is. [17:54] I was numb for a couple of hours this morning [17:55] ditto here, and I'm a million miles away [17:55] I just couldn't process that this was really happening. It was too cinematic [17:55] I was just watching footage (again) of the building collapsing ... amazing the way they just sunk into themselves [17:55] Bush's speech was a little less fiery than I hoped, but that's probably for the best [17:55] and mighty lucky too, I guess [17:55] Yeah, there was a lot of talk about that, Ken [17:55] A few of us where I work were suspicious of that [17:56] yes, it would be way too easy to whip the nation into hysteria atm [17:56] "suspicious"? [17:56] But I heard a civil engineer give his theory, which was basically this: [17:56] Suspicious: they looked eerily similar to the way intentionally demolished buildings look [17:56] An australian guy (talking on local tv here/phone from NY) was in the ground floor of the first tower [17:57] yes, they did (look like that) [17:57] yeah [17:57] the aerial on one of the towers stayed straight [17:57] this guy said there was no real movement made by the impact [17:57] the floors collapsed straight down [17:58] The theory was this: the plane is really heavy. The floors weren't designed to support it. It basically fell through floor by floor, progressively weakening the whole structure [17:58] it wasn't until debris showered down that anybody realized something happened above, and even then, nobody realized it was a jet airliner (and not a helicopter/small plan) which crashed into the building [17:58] nods [17:58] Amazing, Ken [17:58] and the steel supporting structure softened by the heat [17:58] yes, he said so too [17:58] Right [17:58] his first thought was it was an earthquake [17:58] The heat helped a lot [17:59] everybody rushed for the foyer but were held inside for 5 minutes until the debris stopped raining down [17:59] Wow [17:59] yes, so utterly amazing [17:59] I was listening to an eyewitness to the first crash being interviewed on the radio [17:59] he was about 300 yards from the building when the second plane crashed [17:59] Tom - Your typical "exponential disaster curve" then [17:59] And the second one happened while he was talking [18:00] Yep, Matt, but also it explains why it collapsed in on itself [18:00] Once one floor falls, it's less and less likely that the situation would imrpove [18:00] lol Matt [18:00] The weakening was done slowly enough to spread out evenly [18:00] and the footage of people jumping [18:01] it was only recently that I stumbled across a picture of what happens to a body that falls from 50 floors - NOT pretty [18:01] I haven't actually seen that footage [18:01] leaping like lemmings [18:01] I'm glad not to have, honestly [18:01] very disturbing stuff [18:01] I can't believe that a fifth of the pentagon being destroyed is a second-page story tonight [18:01] No doubt, Matt [18:01] http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2001/09/12/pilot_story/index.html [18:02] Tom - Good. Because it sucks. Camera follows them all the way down, you can see their ties flapping in the wind :( [18:02] there's an interesting article by a pilot (about flying in NY) [18:02] The stuff about the pentagon was what interested most of the security people in my lab [18:02] *** Heregrima (ill@f2f63335.dialup.c7b28ff4.com.hmsk) has joined #JiggyWeek [18:02] MEIN FUHRER! I CAN VAHLK! [18:02] Hey RM [18:03] yee. [18:03] Yep [18:03] sugar withdrawal becoming less severe. [18:03] ak! I can't even imagine the terror of trying to run down 110 flights of stairs [18:03] HEY HEY RM! [18:03] <--- MRs B [18:03] would've bene my first guess. how's shit, Ken? [18:04] I guess it wasn't so bad for the people doing it, Ken. They didn't really know what was happening, and it was very orderly, at least according to one person who did it [18:04] dude, people are really stupid. [18:04] *** klya (kyla@d112ae8c.sttl.f89672e2.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [18:04] fine, aside from the lingering thought of this being the beginning of the apocolypse [18:04] hi [18:04] first, stupid people decide to be stupid about God, especially their God, who likes blood from white people. [18:04] nods to Tom [18:04] hi rm [18:04] Kyla? [18:05] that's me [18:05] So they get the blood by stealing planes and flying them into buildings - no matter the fact that you'll die too, it's the death of white people that counts. [18:05] <-- Mrs B :) [18:05] * klya screams and (((HUG))))))) [18:05] Hey Kyla [18:05] Then more stupid people decide to capitalize on the disaster. They make slogans and logos and incendiary reports. [18:05] hi tom [18:05] And get lots of TV exposure. [18:05] *smooches* [18:05] *smooches back* [18:05] I think humanity really IS just this cycle of stupidity. [18:05] How the devil are ya? [18:06] 4today's background music...Dogs of War [18:06] heh [18:06] fine...making greeting cards [18:06] www.howdypressing.com [18:07] how are YOU?? [18:07] me? Fine and dandy :) [18:07] RM: This god doesn't care about the color of skin so much as whether you believe that Mohammed was the prophet [18:07] cool:) [18:08] *** klya is now known as Klya [18:08] oh, c'mon man. white boys ain't gonna take no shit from a homeboy named MOHAMMAD. [18:08] I aint gettin into a taxi here [18:08] Now, Mohammad Ali, that would be another story. [18:08] Tom, it kinda makes me think that the recent influx of Afghani assylm seekers arriving/wanting to get here will be totally rejected by the Aus ppl [18:09] no shite [18:09] who's to say those boatloads of ppl aren't on some jihad frenzi mission? [18:09] I wouldn't doubt it, Ken. And it's probably ironic, too, seeing that they are likely fleeing from the Taliban. [18:09] yep [18:10] damn...we're in a tight spot [18:10] It's like, *everything* that has happened is already SO bizarre that nothing is out of the realms of possibility [18:10] Yeah, it is [18:10] there is a huge international meeting here (in my town) next month [18:10] Commonwealth Heads Of Government Meeting [18:10] I imagine things may get a little weirder yet, though [18:10] Uh oh [18:11] oh goody..and The Olympics will be held in Salt Lake City Utah in 5 months [18:11] and security was already going to be HIGH because of threads like those related to the WTO talks elsewhere [18:11] They will probably meet in an underground Bunker [18:11] heh [18:11] I'm not going ANYWHERE NEAR THE CITY while it's on [18:12] I was looking at all the smooshed cop cars and thought NYPD Blew [18:12] you're right too (...a little weirder yet) [18:12] Seattle is a prime target area too [18:13] nods (remembering the trouble there a couple of years back) [18:13] the riots? [18:13] yes [18:13] yup [18:13] They're expecting similar trouble here (and that was BEFORE yesterday/today) [18:13] and a terrorist was thwarted from blowing up The Space Needle on NYE [18:14] A (United Airlines I think) flight was diverted to Brisbane (here) this morning because of a "suspicious character" on board [18:14] that was hours after the first attack [18:14] oh shit [18:14] no shit [18:14] holy shit [18:15] It had taken off from Sydney I think [18:15] He's being held and questioned as we speak [18:15] These hijackers were pretty clever, using plastic knives [18:15] changing the subject...I'm learning to play the banko [18:15] yep [18:15] they were? [18:15] the "banko"?? lol [18:15] Yep, Kyla [18:15] banJo [18:16] I'm sure they were hard plastic [18:16] Kyla, what's the difference between a banjo and a ship anchor? [18:16] good god [18:16] my dad is paranoid [18:16] what? [18:16] A: you usually tie a rope to an anchor before throwing it overboard [18:16] *snorts* [18:16] Yeah, Dave? [18:16] ha ha [18:16] i'm on the phone with him [18:17] Where's he, Dave? [18:17] when a cow sneezes, does milk come out it's nose? [18:17] northeast pa [18:17] k [18:17] it's unlikely any more planes will be flying anywhere for a little while [18:17] true [18:17] yup [18:17] erm..nope [18:17] That was one of the great reporter lines my dad heard today: "The plane crashed just outside of Pennsylvania" [18:18] god, i have to get off the phone with him [18:18] i mean [18:18] Oh, Danzka is concerned for us all [18:18] *** PaulAFK (paul@14055af0.6ca5f081.128.125.imsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [18:18] paranoia _does_ run in the family [18:18] remember her? [18:19] but man, not even _I_ get this paranoid [18:19] So what's he saying? [18:19] THIS JUST IN: Utter Bedlam rules the day [18:19] no shite [18:20] he's saying nobody is going to be able to travel for years [18:20] by any means?? [18:20] or just flying [18:21] he's advising me to go to canada [18:21] ooops - sorry about that [18:21] All of Entirety went completely batshit today, flooding all known channels of communication, destroying all peaceful sense of self, and removing all that which we hold dear. Many have died and others are wondering if they will be next. [18:21] Looking forward, expect an economic boom as a sleeping giant aims its hatred at a number of peoples both inside and outside its borders, as well as a number of subjects for discussion being "taboo" or "illegal" and subject to prosecution. Jails swelling with suspects, freedoms taking a backseat to the hawk driving the tank. [18:21] You could stay with Mosey [18:21] from rotten.com [18:21] Heh! You don't want to go there. That's where they diverted all the international filghts coming to the US today [18:21] ha ha ha [18:21] hehehe [18:22] there was a plane from London that was turned back and it landed in Ireland...yeesh [18:22] I'd invite you to Australia, Dave, but you'd have to catch a plane to get here [18:22] unless you did a "Kon Tiki" thing and paddled a raft here [18:22] that's ok, you have all those smelly afghans anyway [18:22] heh [18:22] dave, you live in KY? [18:22] i mean fuck [18:23] lol - they're not here yet (they've been diverted to New Guinea and Nairu [18:23] it's been 12 hours and we haven't even blown anything up yet [18:23] i think all things considered that's admirable restraint [18:23] Well, we want to be really sure. [18:23] nods [18:23] yes, we do [18:23] that's surprising in and of itself [18:23] Although when I heard the first reports about Kabul on the radio [18:23] some people don't want to be really sure [18:23] How does one 'punish' someone like that? [18:23] some people want to kill and don't care who. [18:23] that's right [18:24] NY reminds me of Korsovo [18:24] The radio announcer says, "The presumption is that these are US attacks. I hope they are. I hope the president ordered them." [18:24] tv scenes of Palestinians dancing in the street at the news won't do any good for the Isreal/Palestein issue [18:24] sejerivo (sp) [18:24] It *is* an amazing amount of restraint, Dave [18:24] oh that sucked big time [18:24] yes [18:24] It reminds me of Beiruit circa 1970 [18:25] one would not expect such restraint, such _judgment_ from a republican president [18:25] to be frank [18:25] Are you a 'clogger' dave? [18:25] back when the place used to be a tourist mecca [18:25] Fortunately, he's a bit of a wimp :) [18:25] hahahahahahahaha [18:25] just like his dad [18:26] lol [18:26] * Klya rolls eyes [18:26] he could've scored enormous political points if he'd bombed afghanistan before noon, est [18:26] Yeah, no doubt [18:26] i mean, that would've gotten him re-elected, right there [18:26] We'll be seeing it soon, I suspect, anyway [18:27] oh sure [18:27] but it won't be rash [18:27] Eh, it might be too early in his term [18:27] it might be [18:27] bush did squander the gulf war lead [18:27] Exactly [18:27] * Klya sings "it's the end of the world as we know it...and I feel fine" [18:27] but the gulf war was blood for oil [18:27] This is closer to home, certainly [18:27] the twin towers collapsing is a _much_ more memorable image [18:27] Only thing is that memory tends to be kind of relative [18:28] I did see 1 shot of someone jumping out a window [18:28] The more intense things you see [18:28] The less intense everything else seems [18:28] Sadly, the best way for the US army to retaliate is by sending in a flood of foot soldiers ... no more of this "drop random bombs" on them [18:28] so it depends on how many joe bay movies come out? [18:28] absolutely Tom [18:28] True, Ken [18:28] Yep, Dave. You got it. [18:28] if it was south america, we _would_ have a flood of foot soldiers [18:29] we have no problem with sending foot soldiers _there_ [18:29] Right [18:29] heh [18:29] but anywhere else, we're scared since nam. [18:29] Hmmmmm [18:29] Afghanistan will be slightly more troublesome [18:29] No real close friendly base [18:29] yes, I fear it will [18:29] nods [18:29] soldiers are bad PR [18:29] alright, the first conspiracy theory [18:29] but necessary [18:29] I already heard it, Matt [18:30] It was the Red Sox [18:30] It was Hillary [18:30] Trying to make everyone forget their own collapse [18:30] they don't simply explode [18:30] hahaahahahaha [18:30] Someone contacts authorities on the ground, "we're destined for the White House", F-16s shoot it down [18:30] Even tho eyewitness accounts don't support that [18:30] conspiracy theory on what? pennsylvania? [18:30] bush wasn't even _in_ the white house [18:31] he was in fucking florida [18:31] he was in Fla [18:31] and they evecuated him to something like louisiana [18:31] That's why they evacuated the white house because of the call, allegedly [18:31] In prep-skool [18:31] Doesn't matter where Bush was [18:31] Nebraska [18:31] in any case, as I said, the witnesses on the ground contradict that theory [18:31] that's a really crappy conspiracy theory [18:31] the penta is fucking gone [18:32] see the movie? [18:32] makes sense though. Fighter planes were ordered to shoot down any planes [18:32] well no shit [18:32] whoa [18:32] Asian markets plummeting [18:33] everything is fucked up now, thanks to sick bastards [18:34] the price of oil will skyrocket [18:34] Got my first DMG collectors club CDs yesterday, Dave [18:34] cool [18:34] Already happening, Ken [18:34] which? [18:34] I'm gonna sign off (((HUG)))) Ken [18:34] * MisterPervert makes not to fill up both cars today [18:34] Beat Club, Bremen, 1972 [18:34] okies Kyla - nice seein ya :) [18:34] oh cool [18:35] write me [18:35] Live in Mainz, March 30 1974 [18:35] k [18:35] kyla@visitseattle.com [18:35] Live in Central Park 7-1-74 [18:35] ta ;) [18:35] ta [18:35] *** Klya (kyla@d112ae8c.sttl.f89672e2.net.hmsk) Quit (Quit: I gotta R-U-N-N-O-F-T !!) [18:35] God Scoot is a fucking idiot [18:35] Haven't decided what to do with the other three yet [18:35] Actually, the entire AMUSED TO DEATH was [18:35] >written for everyone who spent the day watching t.v. and watching the anchors [18:35] >express faux sentiment over the loss. All the while the "number punchers" are [18:35] >now calculating how much more they can charge for advertising becasue of the [18:35] >increased news viewership as a result of todays attack. [18:35] Ok, gotta bathe Justin [18:35] Has anyone seen a single commercial all day ? [18:35] Hey, question. [18:36] Nope Matt [18:36] No. [18:36] *** Q-TDSK is now known as Q-AFK [18:36] nope - not on any station here either [18:36] alrighty then [18:36] Am I the only perosn who is scared shitless of a big military operation and subsequent draft? [18:36] rm: my dad is too [18:36] but he's paranoid [18:37] the thing is [18:37] I'm not paranoid. I just like to leave maiming and killing to the stupid people. [18:37] we don't have anybody to attack [18:37] that didn't matter in Vietnam. [18:37] i believe they're called "patriots", rm. [18:37] no, no no [18:37] in vietnam we didn't have any _reason_ to attack [18:37] we had people to attack, but no reason. [18:37] Vietnam was before the draft was outlawed [18:37] here, we have a reason to attack, but no people. [18:37] uuuuuuh [18:37] the draft was outlawed? [18:37] why did i have to register for the selective service, then? [18:37] not OUTLAWED, but dammit you know what I mean [18:37] My name is Ghostdog, and my anti-drug is SEX. [18:37] *** AcousticSavant (sdfggz@14055b2f.14055af4.205.232.imsk) has joined #jiggyweek [18:38] [AcousticSavant SOUND] [18:38] 1973 = No draft unless WW3 breaks out [18:38] no, i don't know what you mean [18:38] Hi again [18:38] who's to say it won't? [18:38] I doubt it will [18:39] anyway [18:39] i'm an ordained minister [18:39] as you said, no country to attack [18:39] it's against my religion to get drafted [18:39] true, true [18:39] HEH!! [18:39] I'd feel much better if YOU were my Battalion Chaplain, Dave [18:39] I don't know if there are enough pro-terrorism countries to form the opposite side [18:39] there aren't _any_ pro-terrorism countries right now [18:39] Exactly [18:39] "Last rites ! argh !" "Hold on, $30 THEN last rites" [18:39] ha ha ha ha ha [18:39] *** Christy` (nein@14055b2f.14055af4.205.232.imsk) has joined #jiggyweek [18:39] FREE SQUEEK [18:40] Well, there are pro-turn-a-deaf-ear-to-terrorism countries, probably [18:40] i mean you know [18:40] "Battalion Chaplain" LOFL [18:40] the united states can't declare war on half a dozen people [18:40] fuck these Palastinians [18:40] well it _can_ [18:40] but it'd be a short fucking war [18:40] "Men, we're gonna die today. Give me fifteen bucks a head and I guarantee you after the icy grip of death stretches across your mind, you'll be haing a mind-blowing orgasm thanks to the help of a robot sex goddess (or god, if you down wit dat)." [18:40] If I were secretary of defense... [18:40] I would drop Delta Force in there [18:40] have them shoot their kids [18:40] if i were secretary of defense I'd give AMERICANS candy [18:40] I know I mock the U.S. a lot for not always being exactly what I want it to be, but in this case I'm on their, er, our side. [18:40] Then dance and cluck just like the Palestinians [18:40] and then get airlifted out [18:41] I hate to say it, but Palestinians aren't exactly making me want to lobby for their freedom from Israel oppression. [18:41] "SCREW YOU GUYS! WE HAVE OUR OWN CANDY!" [18:41] Authorities are expecting a death toll of up to 10,000 for New York alone in the wake of terrorist attacks on the World Trade Centre, a federal politician has told US television [18:41] No doubt. [18:41] palestinians are big fucking morons [18:41] Fuck! There was only 680-ish Australian soldiers who died in Vietnam [18:41] "Hey, everybody! Let's celebrate a terrorist attack on the most heavily armed nation on earth on national TV!" [18:42] screw killing them [18:42] We need to drop in the US Army Buttfuck Battalion [18:42] Just to, ya know, humiliate them [18:42] I am not going to be chaplain for the Buttfuck Battalion. [18:42] Matt. [18:42] Yeah, send them our gay troops. [18:42] Heh [18:42] EXCEPT WE DON'T FUCKING HAVE ANY GAY TROOPS! [18:42] Pull yourself together, man. [18:42] "Ve vant to crush the US" 'Why ?' ".............NONE UFF YER BIDNESS !!!" [18:42] SEE, THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN LETTING GAYS IN THE MILITARY ALL ALONG [18:42] exactly! [18:42] Goddamn right. [18:42] And females [18:43] There were Australians in Vietnam? [18:43] Gay females? [18:43] See, Rush Limbaugh actually had the right idea on this [18:43] Why females? [18:43] Fuck them to death with [18:43] Have female infantry [18:43] LALALALALALALA IM NOT LISTENING [18:43] "Sorry, but your religion is stupid. Just to make sure you go to hell, we're letting Christophe, Jerome, and Francisque here have their way with you." [18:43] fuck them to death with butch dykes with strapons? [18:43] I fail to see what you're getting at [18:43] when females live in close proximity, such as barracks, their menstraul periods synchronize [18:43] Excuse me [18:43] We train four groups [18:43] Oh, a PMS attack [18:43] So they're PMSing each week [18:43] That's just plain chauvanistic, Bleech [18:43] and in psycho killer mode [18:43] Guys? [18:43] Yes, it is [18:44] BUT [18:44] Uh, guys? [18:44] Yes? [18:44] Wouldn't YOU cower before 40 females with synchronized PMS ? [18:44] You are all RETARDS. [18:44] Especially if they had GUNS and BAYONETS ? [18:44] Sorry. [18:44] But you are. [18:44] hey, look, this is our way of dealing with a nationla crisis - coming up with distateful, hate0ridden, yet humorous revenge plans. [18:45] What the hell are black boxes made of ? [18:45] I want a flak vest made of black box material [18:45] I think Christy's point is that it wasn't humorous enough [18:45] And why not make the whole plane out of it. [18:45] Not accurate enough is more like it. [18:45] I defy anybody to scientifically prove PMS synchronization. [18:46] PMS, dunno. Menstruation, yah. [18:46] What you should do is force the enemy to watch the Wizard of Oz synced up to DSoTM. [18:46] Every time I've heard of PMS synch, it's been a female who told me. [18:46] same here [18:46] I don't synch. End of story. [18:46] of course not [18:46] *** pviLULL (charlesm@ada22fee.stcl1.mi.283197b4.com.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [18:46] yeah, but how many female roommates have you had to date? [18:46] I used to live with a female. We always had alternating cycles and were always pissing each other off every day of the fucking month. [18:46] not counting Keith. [18:46] Unless there's something Keith hasn't told us about himself [18:46] Well maybe you need your SMPTE re-striped. [18:46] *** MisterPervert (misterperv@dd9ca83f.tmns.6ca6d828.au.hmsk) Quit (Connection reset by peer) [18:47] Simple Mail Protocol Tertiary Exoskeleton? [18:47] *** jahw (Jahweh@bd6d1c19.stryave1.ky.283197b4.com.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [18:47] [jahw SOUND] [18:47] now there was no justification for that [18:47] none whatsoever [18:47] SOCIETYOFMOTIONPICTUREANDTELEVISIONENGINEERS [18:47] Maybe I think [18:47] That is what keeps 'em in sync [18:47] *** Jahweh (Jahweh@bd6d1c19.stryave1.ky.283197b4.com.hmsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [18:47] SUCKMYPEEPEETOWARDSTHEEND [18:47] They're wet and they're pink [18:47] *** jahw is now known as Jahweh [18:47] I think I'll give them a [18:47] give them a [18:47] anyway, I don't wanna kill Palestinians. I just want to make them dress in clown suits and sell their womenfolk into the breeding pools. [18:47] give them a drink [18:47] Oh, and take their resources. [18:47] *** MisterPervert (misterperv@729d8620.tmns.6ca6d828.au.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [18:47] Resources are cool. [18:48] give them a drink [18:48] or something like that [18:48] ak! STruck down by Allah! [18:48] * MisterPervert hits ISP with a Jihad Frenzy [18:48] Our heart goes out to all the families who lost loved ones in today's cowardly attack [18:48] on the United States. [18:48] fucking hell [18:48] why is everybody blaming the goddamn arabs? [18:48] I hate the adjective "cowardly" so very much. [18:48] and why do people keep calling it "cowardly"? [18:48] I think it's extremely inappropriate, Jon [18:48] That doesn't blame it on the Arabs [18:48] because traditionally that's the ethnic background of people who are behind this sort of thing. [18:49] look, hijacking a plane and crashing it into the world trade center isn't what i'd call chickenshit. [18:49] Yeah, McVeigh and the Columbine boys were Ay-rabs! [18:49] A coward is someone who won't do a wheelie on his dirt bike. Therefore he probably also wouldn't fly into a skyscraper. [18:49] *sigh* [18:49] tim mcveigh was really a muslim in disguise [18:49] I see Marek wasn't in the WTC at the time [18:49] there really is no God, eh? [18:49] Don't be mean [18:50] excuse me. [18:50] i'll thank you not to doubt My existence. [18:50] i think the truth is there _is_ a god, but he's a fucking sick bastard. [18:50] Although I'm sure the next time you tell Muskie to go into a building he can call that a death threat too [18:50] I don't dispute Your existence. I jut don't think You do enough with Your time. [18:50] Dave - we keep saying "cowardly" because FDR already took "dastardly" [18:51] that and dastadly just sounds way too, well, dandy. [18:51] I was the "cowardly" complainer, Matt. [18:51] both of you were. [18:51] We haven't gotten one decent speech out of Bush, you know? [18:51] back for a bit [18:51] I kind of agree on that, Jon [18:51] Now they're tying this to the three month anniversary of McVeigh's execution [18:51] I was underwhelmed by his speech. [18:51] Not even a fucking John Quincy Adams-level speech [18:51] It was a less than striking [18:51] But I hope his intelligence is above his oratory skills [18:52] But, maybe that was for the best in this case [18:52] *** jahw (Jahweh@bd6d1c19.stryave1.ky.283197b4.com.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [18:52] [jahw SOUND] [18:52] i liked it when bush threatened to spank them without pants [18:52] I hope his advisors are sensible and rational, and above all that they stay calm. [18:52] There is one positive possibility we may have overlooked. [18:52] Bush gets his vice president to write his speeches [18:52] You are WEIRD, Dave. [18:52] they'd have to be, wouldn't they? [18:52] actually, every president gets someone else to write their speeches [18:52] I'm weird? [18:52] They're all old hands at it, Jon, so I imagine that won't be a problem [18:52] Nixon had Ben Stein, for example [18:53] Maybe the reason the govenment is so tight-lipped and unfeeling about this so far is that they actually do have intel on who did it and don't want to blow their leads. [18:53] I don't think there IS exactly an old hand at this, Tom. [18:53] Ben Stein and William Safire [18:53] And he reads them as if he were assigned to read a page aloud in English class. [18:53] I didn't make that speech. [18:53] Well, not at *this* per se [18:53] cnn.com is back to normal [18:53] Almost 300 emergency personnel -- 78 missing police officers and 200 [18:53] firefighters -- are presumed dead. [18:53] FUCK. [18:54] yup. First ones on-scene were fucked [18:54] I'm honestly surprised the numbers are that low [18:54] CBS has some interesting info on bin Laden broadcasting right now. [18:54] I wonder if I can just go to a hospital and donate blood. [18:54] When those buildings fell, I thought there were more [18:54] *** Jahweh (Jahweh@bd6d1c19.stryave1.ky.283197b4.com.hmsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [18:54] Yeah, Jon, or some blood center [18:54] I've been trying to call the Red Cross, but I can't get through [18:54] You probably can, Jon. [18:54] See if a Red Cross is open all night, they may be. Who knows. [18:54] You think I could? [18:54] Tonight? [18:54] OK. [18:54] You can at least call the hospital to see [18:55] Worth a try, Jon [18:55] and if not, see where you can go [18:55] they have extended hours for this situation. [18:55] blood shortage is one of the biggest diffculties right now. [18:55] If you really want to, I would call ahead to make sure [18:55] I should call around. [18:55] Well, I'm gonna do that. [18:55] The Red Cross may have something set up at hospitals [18:55] BBL, maybe. [18:55] Have fun [18:55] *** pviLULL (charlesm@ada22fee.stcl1.mi.283197b4.com.hmsk) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [18:55] Ok. Gotta go read to Justin [18:56] *** ebfault (Jahweh@bd6d1c19.stryave1.ky.283197b4.com.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [18:56] [ebfault SOUND] [18:56] You can call the 1 800 number [18:56] [ebfault:#jiggyweek PING] [18:56] thats better [18:56] 1-888-BLOOD-88 [18:56] *** ebfault is now known as Jahweh [18:56] *** AcousticSavant changes topic to '1-888-BLOOD-88 | GUYS, HEY, MAYBE IF THEY'RE BLOWING UP YOUR COUNTRY IT'S NOT A GOOD DAY FOR GOLF' [18:56] Dave - CIA record?? [18:57] well [18:57] *** jahw (Jahweh@bd6d1c19.stryave1.ky.283197b4.com.hmsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [18:57] That number is info for giving blood, obviously [18:57] secret service, probably [18:57] heh, BellSouth wants people to stop using the phones so much for a few days. [18:57] I guess my dialup needs make me a greedy bastard. [18:57] doesn't seem to be a problem in the rochester area. [18:57] i have no dialup needs [18:57] although we can't make out of state calls because they're routed through NYC [18:58] ooooh [18:58] but we are advised to stop using cell phones here [18:58] ok by me [18:58] cell phones are evil [18:58] yes. cell evil. ate cell. [18:58] hate [18:58] I like my cell phone because if my car breaks down, it saves my ass. [18:58] I ATE THE MESS 'E LEFT ON THE RUG [18:58] teehee [18:58] Do we have any milk left? [18:59] Yes. [18:59] Rudy Giuliani is cool. [19:00] WHAT AM I SAYING?!?!?!?!?! [19:00] Taliban statement: 'Afghanistan feels your pain' [19:00] Did they elect Clinton over there ? [19:00] A lot of politicians seem more human in a time of crisis [19:01] i think they seem less human [19:01] but in a good way [19:03] Why did they send out their message to only the children of america? [19:03] That message imparts to me that they consider the adults hopeless and deserving of what we get [19:03] Somewhere between 100-800 bodies estimated left in the rubble in the Pentagon, 60 survivors sent to the hospitals. [19:07] 800 seems way high [19:11] well, go median. figure 350-450. [19:11] I go to Elizabethtown's newspaper's web site, and this is the local headline there: [19:11] A group of Amish men heads home [19:11] late Monday down a country road in LaRue County. [19:12] Has anybody noticed gas prices soaring in their area? [19:12] Dave mentioned $3/gallon somewhere. [19:12] Yep. [19:12] no, not since this weekend anyway. Dave says he's up to 3 bucks a gallon though. [19:12] oh, he's here. [19:12] I didn't pay 3 bucks a gallon. [19:12] I paid $1.70. [19:12] I didn't think to look. I have a full tank, but.... [19:12] I heard $3/gallon downtown. [19:13] prices have been steady at $1.50 / $1.70/gallon here for the past year [19:13] Supposedly, the FBI has already apprehended a suspect... [19:13] no further details. [19:13] Hey, when this next guy comes in, everyone act normal, ok? [19:13] *** ash`afk (biafra@6ca5ed9c.a55584.216.144.imsk) has joined #jiggyweek [19:13] hey all [19:13] *** ash`afk is now known as ash` [19:14] HÏ VÎXOR7Ô® [19:14] Vixortor? [19:14] WTF? [19:14] <:| [19:14] How did you spell it? [19:14] vìçTOR [19:14] vicktor, which caused the extra or [19:14] *** Paul` (paul@6ca5f083.6ca5f081.128.125.imsk) has joined #jiggyweek [19:14] Ah. [19:15] Hi Paul [19:15] Hì Vï×oR [19:15] *sigh* Jon Rosenberg and Phillip Karlsson are okay. [19:15] <--- geek [19:16] hiya Vic! (Christy again :) [19:16] hey ken :) [19:16] Paul! [19:17] hello. [19:18] hey vic, you feeling well enough for a dcc? [19:18] whatcha got? [19:19] heh heh [19:20] LEHMAAAAAAN [19:20] ! [19:20] pop-upped? [19:20] yep, non pop up video. [19:20] WHOA [19:20] yeah, hold a few until i get the rest of my headers loaded [19:20] Are you boys talking about what I think you're talking about? [19:20] found it on another irc channel. [19:20] u2's 'lemon'. [19:20] Yeah. [19:23] That's what I thought. :-) [19:23] :) [19:23] In a horrific scene, the dead and the doomed plummeted from the skyscrapers, among them a man and woman holding hands. [19:23] Oh, my god. :( [19:23] ! [19:23] where's this from, christy? [19:23] rochesterdandc.com , our newspaper site [19:23] there are mpegs of the news footage up in the video group [19:23] <:| [19:23] I cried earlier, I couldn't help it. It's really frustrating to watch this on TV. [19:23] *** Disconnected [19:23] *** Attempting to rejoin... [19:23] *** Rejoined channel #jiggyweek [19:23] *** Topic is '1-888-BLOOD-88 | GUYS, HEY, MAYBE IF THEY'RE BLOWING UP YOUR COUNTRY IT'S NOT A GOOD DAY FOR GOLF' [19:23] *** Set by AcousticSavant on Tue Sep 11 18:56:50 [19:23] For everyone, Vic [19:23] same everywhere, I think [19:23] Even at home [19:23] * ash` nods [19:24] left work at 8.30, went to my parents, watched the news for an hour, came home [19:24] I didn't do no c0ding or music or contacting temp agencies or cleaning the apartment or anything. [19:24] I just sat by the TV stunned [19:24] same here. all classes let out early, some canceled. [19:24] NP William Orbit 'Pieces In A Modern Style' (with BBC radio in the background on sarah's radio) [19:24] GAH [19:24] 'A lot of the vehicles are running over bodies because they are all over the place,'' he said. [19:25] oh my god! [19:25] eeeeeeeccccccchhhhhh. [19:25] fucking hell. [19:25] Paul - resume sned ? heh [19:25] alright. [19:26] Sarah will me most unhappy that you are sneding me "Lemon," Paul [19:26] be ready for reprisals ;) [19:26] me = be [19:26] This resolves it, I never plan to fly [19:26] no shit [19:26] will you be? [19:27] Sarah wants to go home for a weekend next month. That should be rather interesting. :( [19:27] I'll fly [19:27] the odds ARE against this [19:27] and if anyone comes at me with a knife i'll kick 'em in the balls [19:27] very much so [19:27] yeah, it's NBC footage in the video group [19:28] from very early this morning [19:28] the first mpeg reads 9.25 [19:28] Vic - seen the video from the ground just under the WTC yet ?:P [19:28] posb. which? [19:28] I'm not watching videos. [19:28] You get to see the entire plane just disappear into the building, like a bad Star Trek effect [19:28] i think a lot of people must be thinking that way right now. [19:28] where does she live? [19:28] i see MTV finally switched to news, dave. heh heh [19:28] right on, dave. [19:28] oh, missouri? [19:28] heh [19:28] she's be flying to St. Louis [19:29] and then the fireball belches out and you see a guy in front of the camera shit his pants [19:29] I want to think everything is all better so I can do things [19:29] everything is all better, Keith [19:29] :) [19:29] if that helps [19:29] It was a valiant effort [19:29] BUT IT WAS A LIE [19:29] YOU TELL LIES MR. VIC [19:29] LIIIIIIIIIIIIIES [19:30] heh [19:30] *** ash` is now known as Mr_Bear [19:30] * Mr_Bear pats Keith on the head [19:30] i'm thinking of the mst3k [19:30] where they did the alternate ending to that movie [19:30] * Bleech_ is Hunting Mr_Bears [19:30] all i sold today was rap cd's [19:31] and 99% of our clientele was age 12-16 [19:31] fun demographic for the day [19:31] what good are the aircraft carriers that were deployed gonna do ? [19:31] medical / cleanup assistance [19:31] and patrolling the air, if need be [19:32] the Pentagon plane was allegedly low enough to clip off the light poles on Williams bridge and along 395 [19:32] what a headfuck for anyone driving it [19:32] guh. why is it that whenever someone posts Serge Gainesbourg, it's always in a flood that i have no hope of grabbing? heh [19:33] *** ParilAFK (jaeger@14055af4.phoenix-11rh16rt-az.dial-access.6ca6a92c.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [19:33] Madonna cancelled a show ? THAT'S the REAL tragedy [19:33] hiya [19:33] hey april. [19:33] no it isn't. [19:33] Hi again, April. [19:33] Actually, don't donate any more blood until the planes are flying again. [19:33] hell, her latest tour is probably why we got attacked. [19:33] hi april [19:33] (there's no place to store it) [19:34] <-- tells lies. liiiiiiiiiiiiies. [19:34] Feeling any better, Vic? [19:34] doing ok. [19:34] yourself? [19:34] Hi Paul, Christy, everyone. [19:34] I just have a killer headache. It started at 1:30 or so and escalated to near-incapacitation within an hour. [19:34] oooh, migraine? [19:34] I still have it, but it's manageable now. [19:34] So, uh. [19:35] we all have killer headaches [19:35] Yeah. I'm doing ok. [19:35] I had to take some ibuprofen earlier. [19:35] :( [19:35] that was kind of the irony of today...i woke up feeling better than i have in days..then sarah broke the news [19:35] I had a horrid headache connected to my eyes [19:35] yeah, i do have a headache [19:35] one of those top-of-the-skull models [19:35] Heh [19:35] sarah's home. brb. [19:36] was it connected with fishing wire so that everytime you blinked, your head would implode in searing pain? [19:36] gah. a friend of mine works in ny in the medical area. i think he had a bit of work to do. [19:36] I'm sorry. I hadn't meant to make it sound like I was the only one. :( [19:36] No, I didn't tell my headache story to make you feel that way! [19:36] Yay, the sports cancellations are on [19:36] Boing. [19:36] *** TheJerome (yrm@4b7eb79e.b36c26e4.ca.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [19:36] Well, holy shit. [19:36] Hi again, Jerome. [19:36] Can I come live in your country for a while? [19:36] hello. [19:37] http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/2001/09/11/sports_canceled/ <--this was the dumbest page I've seen in a long time [19:37] that reminds me...what the hell is going on with gas stations? [19:37] Why are people stocking up on groceries now? [19:37] heh! [19:37] I shoulda called and heard Charlie's "Yes, I'm Alive" phone message [19:37] ahoyz Jerome! April! [19:37] That was my second question. [19:37] every goddamned station in this city is backed up into the streets [19:37] Ken? [19:37] See, that's not happening here [19:37] The lucky ones will still have supplies left over from the end of the millenium [19:37] people are stocking up on newspapers here, but that's about it [19:38] milennium [19:38] April - You know if Charlie drove to work or what ? [19:38] millennium. [19:38] Apparently it's the midwest and the south, Christy. [19:38] nods to Jerome [19:38] OKAY [19:38] BAD SEGUE [19:38] BUSH TALKING ABOUT STEEL [19:38] He'd be silly to drive to work. I believe he takes metro. [19:38] our gas stations are normal [19:38] i don't need gas yet, so i'm cool...but it was like 1991 all over again [19:38] INTO WENDY'S COMMERCIAL FEATURING A MAN WITH A WELDER'S MASK [19:38] Keith, I agree that's a stupid page. [19:38] millennium. :) [19:38] Other than looking really scary and seeing fighter planes criss-crossing the sky, nothing much happened in DC. [19:38] *** pviLULL (charlesm@ada22fee.stcl1.mi.283197b4.com.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [19:38] oops. [19:38] Hi Ken, btw. :) [19:38] And Jerome. [19:38] April - Just wondering...saw a nice shot of the District after the federal offices let everyone out and it was complete gridlock [19:38] Oops? [19:38] And Jon. [19:39] Hello. [19:39] :) [19:39] The wait for the blood drive is five hours. [19:39] April - You hear where it was low enough to clip the tops off the light poles on the 14th street bridge ? [19:39] So Dan Rather said anyway [19:39] If I was in NYC, I'd give blood today. [19:40] *** salome (salome@7f138e98.041.a88f223.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [19:40] Jerome - Pete Townshend would be proud [19:40] No, I didn't. That's CRAZY. [19:40] hiya Sarah! [19:40] hello sarah. [19:40] hello [19:40] Hi, Sarah. ARe you feeling better than earlier today? [19:40] If there's that long a wait to give blood, then there's no point in going until the wait gets shorter [19:40] yeah. Low, gradual descent that clipped the light poles on the bridge and 395 before it hit the ground [19:40] Damn. Today's Moby's birthday. [19:41] there's military helicopters buzzing overhead here right now - heading for the airport [19:41] doh. [19:41] in Austrialia? [19:41] yep, in Brisbane [19:41] Yeah [19:41] hey April: no, not really. i have a fear that we may never really find out did this, even though we have suspicions. [19:41] did they lock the cities down there. too? [19:41] hiya Mr_Bear, btw :) [19:41] I got a little freaked out driving home today, afraid I'd look up and I *would* see an airplane in the air. [19:41] Hrm. Rumor circulating that two men with a truckload of explosives were arrested later at the George Washington Bridge [19:41] <-- vic, silly :) [19:41] Christy - I have. [19:41] heh - noted [19:41] Just an A-10 from Pope tho [19:41] haw. same rumor here, matt -- only it was I-271 [19:42] I hated how Bush referred to "Americans". This whole thing'll just aggravate racial hatred. [19:42] :| [19:42] Yes. [19:42] Jerome - How so ? [19:42] It's weird. All you can see in NYC is some buildings and the flashes of police/fire/ambulance lights. [19:42] Jerome: what? [19:42] yeah. earlier i heard this noise like an airplane diving down here, and i just nearly shit my pants. [19:42] Americans are Americans. [19:42] It's strange not to see the towers. [19:42] power is out in a lot of south manhattan [19:42] I hated how Bush sounded like a tenth grader reading aloud in remedial English class. [19:42] S'like saying "referring to Canadians just aggravetes Quebecians" [19:42] or whatever they call themselves [19:43] No, I mean, *inside* the US [19:43] Course, given Quebec's attitude about the rest of Canada, that anaolgy is prolly accurate [19:43] good lordy. Echoes was a hummin' today. [19:44] i bet. [19:44] I don't get how it would aggravate racial tension though. [19:44] The WTC represented to two horns of The Beast [19:44] Why on Echoes? Do they think it was Dave Gilmour's gargantuan buttcheeks that were hijacked instead of a 767? [19:44] * MisterPervert gets into fundamentalist Christian mode [19:44] =| [19:44] has everyone else had their local government officials empahsize that we should not target "certain groups" with hatred? [19:44] heh, no, just lots of offtopic chat related to this [19:44] oh yeah Ken ? Dig this, heh [19:44] "In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart [19:44] by Chaos, [19:44] while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb" , [19:44] "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - Nostradamus [19:44] 1654 [19:45] Of course, that passage is allegedly fake [19:45] Sarah: no. But I live in NC, so... *shrug* [19:45] Nostradamus is a dolt. [19:45] and who calls NYC the "City of God" anyway ? [19:45] i thought that was Detroit [19:45] * Mr_Bear ducks thrown fruit [19:45] lets not start with the Nostradamus crap... someone alreayd tried that on another message board i read. [19:45] Heh! [19:45] * Bleech_ smacks Mr_Bear around a bit with Col Turner [19:45] *snicker* [19:45] Maybe we should ask Miss Cleo what to make of all this [19:45] let me consult the book of Pheryllt... [19:45] heh heh [19:45] Sarah - heh, inform them that the passage doesn't actually exist [19:45] AAUUUGGGHHH [19:45] NO MISS CLEO [19:46] Matt: not *that* passage... [19:46] woah, hey, Diane reanimates suddenly [19:46] Oh, OK [19:46] AH I SEE WHO BE FLYIN' DA AIRPLANES [19:46] lol [19:46] HAW [19:46] =\ [19:46] STOP MAKING ME LAUGH, DAMN IT, KEITH [19:46] someone was quoting the passage about the lyon rising up in the desert, and the eagle fighting the bear. she was trying to say that Russia is behind this. [19:46] you've been doing that all day! [19:46] here come da eagle [19:46] here come da bear [19:46] da big bear [19:46] Russia my ass [19:47] Well, see, who's mostly suspected? Muslims. It's not too hard to see how it'd aggravate any kind of racial hatred... [19:47] and they're fightin' to control [19:47] the lion's dominion [19:47] (obMarley) [19:47] Russia can't keep their OWN shit together [19:47] SOCIALIST SCHMOCIALIST, I SEE A RUSSIAN BEAR [19:47] Hasn't Russia already allied with us against whoever did this? [19:47] what Quag said earlier was 100% correct -- nations don't crash planes into buildings. people do. [19:48] Christy: yes. this is why i hate when people try to invoke Nostradamus anytime something big happens. [19:48] Christy: I realize this is rather... IDK, but: http://www.drugstore.com/user/promo.asp?promoid=13256&330447&trx=25329 [19:48] Nostradamus just creeps the fuck out of me. [19:48] yeah, i invoked Nostradamus the other day while i was on the can. sarah let me have it for that. [19:48] <:| [19:48] Oh, thanks, April [19:49] 'THE GAWTH SHALL RISE UP OUT OF THE MIDWEST; THE GAWTH SHALL MAKE WAR WITH THE JAMAICAN TAROT SLUT' - Quatrain 4 verse 134, Nostradamus [19:49] :\ [19:49] NP. [19:49] Oh FUCK, that figure WASN'T an overestimation [19:49] 800 dead in the Pentagon [19:49] What?? [19:49] No, Bleech. [19:49] * Mr_Bear shakes head [19:49] It's that between 100 and 800 are *unaccounted for*. [19:49] Not dead. [19:49] ! [19:49] April - 800's the estimate on NBC as we speak [19:49] I know, but it's wrong. [19:49] Brokaw just announced it [19:50] I know. But it's wrong. [19:50] says they just released it [19:50] Between 100 and 800 are UNACCOUNTED FOR. [19:50] oh. [19:50] Hence, I would imagine it's unrelated to the hours-old rumor [19:50] Well. Whatever. [19:50] Hey, it could be the same thing. [19:50] Why are you listening to Tom Brokaw? [19:50] I'm just saying, they reported it as breaking news right now as an official estimate [19:50] Him and Dan should both be shot. [19:50] Because I'm sick of Dan [19:51] NPR is the way to go. [19:51] I'd listen to Jack McCoy, but nobody has talked to HIM yet [19:51] Just to put them out of their misery! [19:51] Or CNN. [19:51] Dan Rather's really melodramatic. [19:51] He wants to be Cronkite so bad. [19:51] Doesn't Rather look dead on his feet? [19:51] "WHAT'S THE FREQUENCY, BROKAW ?!?!?!? *bonk bonk*" [19:51] i'm telling you! someone needs to put Jack McCoy on this one! [19:51] HAW [19:51] * Mr_Bear slaps Bleech_ around a bit with a large trout [19:51] [salome SOUND] [19:51] who is that? [19:51] i tried Fox for a while earlier. what a joke. [19:51] Gawd what an insane amount of 8x10 paper scattered around [19:52] 8X11.5 [19:52] *snicker* [19:52] Paul: Jack McCoy = Exec ADA on Law & Order [19:52] ;D [19:52] oh SO S00 ME [19:52] now that we are clear on that [19:52]  In another report from a Connecticut TV station, one passenger aboard the second plane that hit the World Trade Center was able to use a phone on the aircraft to report that terrorists had taken over the plane and stabbed one of the flight attendants. [19:52] oh, ok [19:52] yep [19:52] It floors me that box cutters did this. [19:52] there were 3-4 calls verified, iirc [19:52] BOX CUTTERS. [19:52] yeah, there were a few cell phone calls from those flights. [19:52] yeah. [19:52] Gawd, I can't believe they announced tower 2 was secure 5 minutes before impact #2 [19:52] how do you know they were box cutters? [19:53] was that on a news report? [19:53] knives and box cutters [19:53] My sister used to joke about the box cutter that she used as a pet store employee, and using it as a weapon [19:53] yeah, one wonders why nobody simply overpowered these guys, or if anyone tried to [19:53] Christy: one of the cell phone callers confirmed that. [19:53] yeah. [19:53] unless there were too many of them [19:53] according to all the major news outlets [19:53] Yeah. The sollicitor general's wife had a cell phone. [19:53] yeah, that was terrible [19:53] And she was on the plane that crashed on the Pentagon. [19:53] Vic: There were 130 people on one plane. [19:53] ugh. [19:53] Vic - because most hijackings end safely [19:53] what exactly is a "boxcutter"? [19:53] matt - good point [19:53] retractable razor blades with plastic handles [19:53] Ken - a razor with a safety hinge [19:53] A sort of handheld instrument to easily cut open tape, cardboard, etc [19:53] you use them for opening cardboard boxes [19:54] exacto knife [19:54] ah - ok - ta :) [19:54] Personally, I love the new style. The plates are bright, shiny, and multicolored, the food is much cooler, and the atmosphere is one that can't be beaten on campus. Now I must admit that I've had somewhat of a head start on the new D-Hall, with myself and all the other RA's having it to ourselves for two weeks prior to the start of classes. My only complaint is that I can't figure out how to get the elevated seats positioned prop [19:54] Vic - OTOH, they DID drag the crew back too, so that should indicate things are going south quickly [19:54] assuming the crew wasn't already did, as they allegedly were in at least one case [19:54] "Don't do anything foolish and you won't be hurt" --- i forgot about that [19:54] Ben Schumin will find out about this two months from now and do a Schuminweb special :( [19:54] Yeah. [19:55] wasn't already DEAD, not did [19:55] i figured [19:55] Christy - No, he still has the "Hatten ar Din" special to go [19:55] "Sales Of Guys Gone Wild Video Disappointing" [19:55] how are they gonna handle tonight's Daily Show ? [19:55] well, i suppose the Onion ain't going anywhere NEAR this one [19:55] probably not handling it, period [19:55] I hope not, in the name of taste [19:55] i wouldn't bet on it. [19:56] www.rotten.com has a small piece on it [19:56] they went near the ok city bombing, didn't they? [19:56] Paul: yeah [19:56] I dunno... Jon Stewart will find some way to milk a joke out of it without pissing off too many people. [19:56] no pix yet, but it's still relatively early days [19:56] of course *they* would. [19:56] ken - argh. i shoulda guessed. [19:56] heh [19:56] Different than an Exacto Knife. It's a big handle with a razor blade secured with a bolt at an angle. When the blade gets dull, you replace it. The metal is minimal (since the handle can be made out of plastic), so it's unlikely that the underpaid security workers would've bothered a detainment. [19:56] Matt: do you still have that ebay url? [19:57] Called a "Stanley Knife" here, april (a brand name of tools) [19:57] Yep, exactly. [19:57] Sarah - Argh, no [19:57] i have it, goon. one sec. [19:57] gothic-net or something [19:57] Ken: yeah, a Stanley knife. [19:57] <-- not telling LIES LIIIIIIIIIIIES [19:57] That's a name-brand, though. A "boxcutter" is a generic word. [19:57] I was cut from her belly with a Stanley knife / My daddy did a jig with a drunk midwife [19:57] gothdeath.com or something [19:57] http://www.gothic.net/~bathory/ebay/ebay-posting.gif [19:57] this is fucking sick [19:57] Oh, right. We have those at work, boxcutters, they get called exactoes for some reason. [19:58] heh [19:58] Ken, April, whoever else wasn't here earlier today... lok at that url. [19:58] look [19:58] The ebay one? [19:58] yeah :( [19:58] Bah. [19:58] They're selling pieces of it on ebay. [19:58] I can see "OUR DUMB CENTURY II" [19:58] checking [19:58] no, the whole damn thing [19:58] At least this one is obviously a joke. [19:58] the "golf news" - heh [19:59] "11 NOVEMBER 2001 : AMERICA LOSES IT'S INNOCENCE" [19:59] "Negates 1963, 1941 losses of innocence" [19:59] yes, the blood donation thing is sombering [19:59] It's September, Matt. [19:59] my bad. [20:00] November? [20:00] SORRY, DAMMIT [20:00] NOVEMBER? [20:00] sorry, sorry. [20:00] I was thinking of JFK [20:00] "11 NOVEMBER 2001 : AMERICA LOSES IT'S INNOCENCE" <---- IS THIS SOME KIND OF THREAT?????? [20:00] heh, "some assembly required". [20:01] :\ [20:01] I have to retire. [20:01] I am exhausted. [20:01] Good night. [20:01] So Charlie had an "I'm alive, dammit" message on his answering machine, Bleech? Heh. [20:01] night christy. feel better. [20:01] gnite guys, take care [20:01] bye christy [20:01] Goodnight. [20:01] *** Christy` (nein@14055b2f.14055af4.205.232.imsk) Quit (Quit: I know it might seem strange but I believe you'll be coming back before too long) [20:01] bye [20:01] brb [20:01] REDMOND, WA— Eleven months after purchasing the Radiohead album, Microsoft chairmanBill Gates announced Monday that he is "finally getting into Kid A." [20:01] "I listened to it a few times when I first got it, but it just wasn't grabbingme," Gates told The Seattle Post-Intelligencer. "I liked 'Morning Bell'and 'Optimistic,' but the rest just seemed like this intentionally weird mess. Then I took it out again maybe a month ago, and it finally started to sink in. Now I think I even likeit better than OK Computer." Gates said he still hasn't gotten around topicking up Amnesiac. [20:02] Daily Show is a rerun. Good call guys. [20:02] RM... [20:02] yeeeeeeeeeeees? [20:02] ObSimpsons. Heh. [20:03] Don't worry guys [20:03] Have they repeated the "800 dead" number yet, Bleech? [20:03] * Heregrima steeples fingers [20:03] Eeeeeexcellent [20:03] SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS WILL PUT A STOP TO THIS [20:03] Nuh uh [20:03] * ParilAFK opens the door and sees all the peoples [20:03] 265 firefighters, 85 policemen... [20:03] * Mr_Bear waves [20:03] Oh, how I will laugh if Edwards and Rodham-Clinton square off for the democratic nomination in 2004. [20:03] jesus christ, i heard about that [20:03] You know what was weird? It just kept getting worse, to the point where you couldn't digest what was happening *as* it was happening. [20:04] yeah. [20:04] well, at least there's no sports segment tonight [20:04] Quag's mom called us at 6:20 this morning to tell us that his sister's financee's father was missing. [20:04] April, even all the way over here, it's incomprehensible [20:04] and when they couldn't give any substantial news, they replayed the video feeds. [20:04] at different camera angles and tape speeds. [20:04] April - I couldn't digest it in the first place. I thought it was a ruse designed to get me out of bed. [20:04] april - uh oh. :( [20:04] *** Q-AFK is now known as Q-TDSK [20:04] ooh. Is he still ? [20:05] Hey April [20:05] hey Toom [20:05] ok, paul -- fire away [20:05] Jon: any luck giving blood [20:05] * Paul` looks around [20:05] http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ has some numbers [20:05] Hey Sarah [20:05] The lines were five hours long [20:05] damn! [20:05] April -- !!!!!! [20:05] Hiya, Tom. [20:05] Yes? [20:05] he's in NYC? [20:05] BRB [20:06] Oh. They heard from him about 11am our time. [20:06] oh, phew [20:06] 5 hours or so after it happened. [20:06] He's okay, but I don't know the details. [20:06] i thought he was still unheard fromn [20:06] You know what was weird? It just kept getting worse, to the point where you couldn't digest what was happening *as* it was happening. <-- yeah, April. at first i heard in the hallway at school that there had been a bombing in NYC... i turned on the radio in my car, and heard about the WTC, then about the SECOND tower... THEN about the Pentagon. it was all very terrifying. [20:06] *** Klya (kyla@d112ae8c.sttl.f89672e2.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [20:06] * Mr_Bear relieved [20:06] hi [20:06] Aw, thanks. :) [20:07] Sarah: I went to work and the three people that were there were shell-shocked. [20:07] yah. [20:07] One was a flake, so I expected her to be. [20:07] (shell-shocked, that is) [20:07] Somehow that made it worse. "Woah, THREE AT ONCE ?!?!" [20:07] But Barbara... she wasn't. [20:07] It just worse and worse. [20:07] A flake, I mean. [20:07] Paul - EEEEEEKKKKKK!! 25 HOURS?!?! [20:07] Young people should heed their civic duty and rock the vote. Older Americans are advised to smooth-jazz the vote. [20:07] "How many more planes are in the air right now ?" [20:07] vic, it should pick up soon [20:07] He brother-in-law works as a lawyer for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, out of the Pentagon. [20:07] I felt numb for two hours after I heard the second crash on the radio, myself [20:07] He was, fortunately, in Oregon. [20:07] yeah, that was hard to take [20:07] "Do they know that the SF/Delta groups that would be sent after them are based in Bragg ?" [20:07] hang on [20:08] I made it into school without knowing anything about it. [20:08] and seeing that crash on CNN was probably the most horrible thing i've seen since the shuttle exploded [20:08] this whole thing just makes me cry [20:08] April: i was upset over it, but it somehow started to get worse when i got to work and woman kept saying that she wasn't going to rest until she had assurance from the President that she would wake up in the morning. [20:08] I heard some people talking about an attack on the WTC. [20:08] I figured another car bomb, you know? [20:08] Is she a flake, Sarah? [20:08] The security people where I work had just heard about it themselves [20:08] April: no [20:08] Vic - What was worse than that was hearing Rather say that the other tower was wavering some before itc rashed down on him, I think [20:08] The professor didn't know about it, either. [20:09] that had a high "...you're fuckin kidding me" factor [20:09] this may just cripple The Olympics in SLC in 5 months [20:09] Mr_Bear: I think this beats the shuttle blowing up by a long shot [20:09] They told him it was a bombing [20:09] Sarah: That's scary, then. [20:09] Mr_Bear = Vic [20:09] oh. [20:09] First extra editions of local papers since 11/22/63 [20:09] OH heh [20:09] i tell lies, liiiiiiiiiiiies [20:09] that's kinda what i thought when sarah told me this morning, jon -- i figured some idiot in a Cessna wasn't watching where he was going. [20:10] Yes. [20:10] then she said a second plane hit and i couldn;t believe it [20:10] Yep. 9-11 is another date burned into memory [20:10] I did too, untilt he second one. [20:10] God [20:10] people keep comparing this to Pearl Harbor, but i think this is worse... Pearl Harbor essentially was a military operation. This wasn't. [20:10] And then he looked it up online, and he said a plane collided with it. [20:10] I think the radio people were speculating it was a Cesna [20:10] and then when i realized it was two *passenger jets*...jesus [20:10] Armed guards posted at points in Fayetteville leading into the base [20:10] And, yes, I thought it was like that White House Cessna crash [20:10] Then I hear this guy going "OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD! THE SECOND TOWER JUST EXPLODED" [20:10] And then I walked over to the library [20:10] And everyone was quiet and really serious [20:11] And I though, wuhoh. [20:11] that was just surreal, Tom [20:11] thought. [20:11] That's scary, Jon. [20:11] Soldiers wielding M4s posted on the All-American freeway [20:11] It was, Vic, it really was [20:11] That pre-dread. [20:11] If all that was hit was the WTC, you could say "it's just a bunch of crazy terrorists" but the targeting of the Pentagon is like saying "we're DEMANDING you go to war with us" [20:11] it was really hard to comprehend what you were seeing [20:11] vic and i were watching CNN when the second tower collapsed. that really made me think "FUUUUUUCCKKK". [20:11] And so I found out that the towers collapsed and the Pentagon had been hit. [20:11] We've got Battleships in Puget sound [20:11] The Pentagon. The fucking PENTAGON. [20:11] Ken - *bing* [20:12] It's just unbelievable. [20:12] i think they must've been avid bloom county readers [20:12] it's really, really frightening, Vic [20:12] it is [20:12] There were closed streets downtown today. My class was just by NDHQ. Sirens were going off now and then. I wasn't too happy. [20:12] Jon - Well, airspace around the mall and pentagon is tightly controlled and regulated, but they can't throw up barriers [20:12] My brother said he was watching TV when the second tower was hit, and he almost puked when it happened [20:12] "Well, we can't get in to flush the toilets, so...." [20:12] entire Cleveland metro area was virtually shut down [20:12] Tom - heh, join the club :P [20:12] all malls were closed [20:12] Oh, I know [20:12] city was closed [20:12] well, i've heard people put down the President for stating that we aren't going to differentiate between the terrorists and the people who harbor them, but we just CAN'T anymore. that is what we needed to do a long time ago, imo. [20:12] alot of malls in Seattle are closed [20:12] Austin stayed open [20:12] I've just heard that the airport here has been closed (there were military helicopters heading that way a few minutes ago) [20:12] I was watching some live footage when it was interrupted by the umpteenth replay of the second jet -- one of the "experts" they had on-the-line said, "Go back to the other shot? I think i see something -- it was about 10 seconds ago, maybe 20 now." and there it went (the south tower, the second one to get hit) [20:12] I heard at first that the plane that crashed near Pittsburgh had crashed in Cleveland [20:12] Tom Clancy wrote a book where this same thing happened to the Capitol [20:12] That scared me [20:13] Sarah: absolutely [20:13] Sea-tac is closed [20:13] And not FIVE minutes earlier, I said to Chris, "This is amazing. I'm going to see this on Modern Marvels." [20:13] You think Clancy did it? [20:13] heh! [20:13] "Because not even a PLANE could topple them." [20:13] this is so fucking sad and I'm so fucking mad [20:13] bahahah [20:13] Kyla: every airport is closed, at least to commercial traffic [20:13] it turned around right over us, Jon. close enough ;) [20:13] I know [20:13] Heh, Dave [20:13] anyone else ever read "The Running Man" ? :P [20:13] Heh heh, Matt. No doubt [20:13] Except that was a little plane [20:14] "Well, we _were_ gonna crash into the rock and roll hall of fame, but..." [20:14] yep [20:14] Yes, Matt, Clear and Present Danger was the first thing I thought of this morning. [20:14] have you guys seen the shot of the President being told about the second tower? you can see the look on his face... he's also thinking "FUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCKKKK". [20:14] "NATIONAL DAY OF MOURNING DECLARED IN WAKE OF RECORD DEN DISASTER" [20:14] Did you see the radar pix? [20:14] No, Sarah [20:14] actually, Matt -- terrible as it sounds, that footage of the WTC being hit made me think of 'Armageddon' [20:14] I haven't seen the plane crash into it [20:14] me too [20:14] yeah [20:14] it was on the bbc news site, Tom. let me find it. [20:14] Vic - oh yeah. [20:14] It reminded me of Independence Day [20:14] Jon - i have it, actually. [20:14] you don't wanna see [20:14] you want? [20:14] The whole thing did [20:15] BRB [20:15] NO [20:15] heh. had to ask. [20:15] The end of Clear and Present Danger is incredibly close to this. There's just NOTHING to be done. [20:15] dude [20:15] people are trapped in rubble calling for help from the WTC [20:15] if jack ryan winds up as president... [20:15] When I saw the second plane fly by the towers before it whipped around, I hit the floor in the family room [20:15] i'll scream. [20:15] heh [20:15] I refuse to see it [20:15] it is pretty awful [20:16] Until this past november, Dave, I wouldn't have thought a fictional character could become elected [20:16] it''ll make you cry [20:16] Tom - heh [20:16] i heard mickey mouse outpolled nader [20:16] I'm already having nightmarish visions about the people deciding whether to jump or to burn [20:16] i voted Joe Walsh [20:16] Jon -- easy choice, IMO [20:16] what, from KANSAS? [20:16] Few people jumped, though [20:16] I was thinking about the jumpers/fallers too [20:16] well [20:16] *** salome` (salome@7f2fc13b.041.a88f223.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [20:16] i can't take any more of this [20:17] hi sarah [20:17] Jon, that's the thing that gets me the most. [20:17] nite dave [20:17] i'm going to go to bed and have nightmares [20:17] Night, Dave [20:17] :( [20:17] I think it's because of the hi-rise fire in Peru. [20:17] *** Jahweh (Jahweh@bd6d1c19.stryave1.ky.283197b4.com.hmsk) Quit (Quit: Rats trained by: JOHN HOLMES) [20:17] nite dave [20:17] *** salome (salome@7f138e98.041.a88f223.net.hmsk) Quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghosted. By: salome`))) [20:17] [salome`:#jiggyweek PING] [20:17] *** salome` is now known as salome [20:17] Rats trained by: JOHN HOLMES <:| [20:17] Has anyone received any news by Jon Nelson? [20:17] No [20:17] [salome:#jiggyweek PING] [20:17] nope. [20:17] i haven't looked at the e-mail yet [20:17] no [20:17] brb [20:18] where is JonN? [20:18] I think I heard that they closed the place where he works... [20:18] NM [20:18] Los Alamos, Kyla [20:18] oh [20:18] Right. Los Alamos. That was one of the first places to be evacuated. [20:18] holy shit [20:19] NM?? [20:19] My sister thought at first that some archival video was being shown from the previous bombings, when she heard them say "Attack on the World Trade Center" [20:19] Yes. [20:19] shit [20:19] Yeah, I can imagine, Jon [20:20] Remember-WTC.com $600.00 <-- you've got to be kidding me [20:20] She thinks the terrorists tried to minimize loss of life, hitting the hour at they did and at the elevation that they did. They could have killed many more had they taken later flights [20:20] uh, what? [20:20] e-bay, paul [20:20] Nah. It's maximal information. By noon, everyone knew it. [20:20] SILBERMAN - World Trade Center - Poster - NR $365.01 [20:20] WORLD TRADE CENTER CASINO CHIP $25.00 $10.50 [20:20] I don't know if I agree with her, but I think that might have been the line of reasoning behind it [20:21] *** salome (salome@7f2fc13b.041.a88f223.net.hmsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [20:21] that is so sick [20:21] I think hitting at the hour they did might be because of fewer people on the planes, Jon: easier to hijack [20:22] The elevation, well, it's hard to steer a plane that large [20:22] http://www.worldtradecenter.com/ [20:22] Well, they DID do a pretty good job of it, though. [20:22] crowd control, biatch [20:22] I don't know [20:22] Yeah, they piloted it well [20:23] and they made sure all of those planes were from two of the strongest American chains [20:23] and had damn-near full tanks of gas [20:23] nice touch [20:23] wow [20:23] loaded for an east-west trip [20:23] well, they were all transcontinental flights, so there was no question they'd be full. [20:23] am I correct they stabbed people with the plane's knives? [20:23] exactly [20:23] It took 13 hours, but I finally saw the first commercial [20:23] Exactly, Ken [20:23] Kyla - No, their own knives [20:24] that's the diabolical part of it, no doubt [20:24] maximum explosion [20:24] yep [20:24] *** salome (salome@7f138e79.041.a88f223.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [20:24] Paul - ARGH. Resned ? heh [20:24] wb [20:24] I wonder whether or not anybody actually did the math on what type of explosion that might create [20:24] I wonder about them being the strongest American chains, though. [20:24] Vic - some priceless idiocy on AMRW :p [20:24] "BOY I CANT WAIT TO HEAR ROG'S SONG" [20:24] Ken - i'd heard the explosive yield was far greater than the Murrah Building [20:24] BRB [20:24] nods [20:25] I mean, couldn't it be that it would be easiest to a) bypass security, b) find a suitable filght, with the bigger chains? [20:25] oh my fucking GOD, WRAL is interviewing some fucking import in Cary. [20:25] yeah, matt. between that and Sam Tosi's post, that really lifted my day. [20:25] * Klya has to leave...TTYL..take care [20:25] "When JKF was shot, the nation was silent. Today, CARY PARKWAY was silent." [20:25] byee Kyla [20:25] Later, Kyla [20:25] *** Klya (kyla@d112ae8c.sttl.f89672e2.net.hmsk) Quit (Quit: I gotta R-U-N-N-O-F-T !!) [20:25] Let's all mourn the lost innocence of Caryites and buy them a round of Zima and Perrier. [20:25] Well, you know... [20:25] I don't see why they didn't take UPS planes? [20:25] Tom - could be... but with terrorists, i'd tend to side with the symbolism using those chains. [20:25] * Mr_Bear shrugs [20:26] either way could be correct [20:26] Low security, no passengers... [20:27] The fuel issue, maybe, Jon [20:27] Ansett Airlines (formerly an Australian-owned company) is up for sale and can't find a buyer ... Taliban Airlines anybody? [20:27] Does UPS fly cross-continent routes often enough? [20:27] Heh, Ken [20:27] poor taste, I know :) [20:27] it's kind of like crashing a Concorde into the Eiffel Tower, as far as psychological effect goes [20:27] or the Louvre [20:27] Raleigh Police has suggested that the local synagogues and Muslim temples not hold services to avoid the temptation of retaliation. [20:27] To a certain extent, Vic [20:28] what bullshit. "We're afraid our relatives might kill you. Try not to be too visible." [20:28] I mean, I wouldn't put it past them [20:28] well, that is a real concern, RM [20:28] But I think if it came to a choice, they'd forgo the symbolism [20:28] there is a substantial Arab population here as well [20:28] RM: i just asked you earlier if such warnings had been put out, and you said no because you lived in NC, heh. [20:28] Sarah: this is the first i've heard of it, on the local news. [20:29] I agree, Vic - but I think that would jsut make me more determined to attend services. [20:29] * Mr_Bear nods [20:29] allah be with you ;) [20:29] Bleech: I can't find *any* numbers on that webpage. Help? [20:29] * MisterPervert 's head spins around a full circle in search of Mecca [20:30] All I can say is Southpark Kenny is the new prophet... [20:30] I've heard they have a guide for that sort of thing, Ken [20:30] heh [20:30] Of course, there's the issue of which way to face when you're at the exact antipode of Mecca [20:30] http://www.windowsontheworld.com/ <- god. [20:31] yeah, where does one face Mecca from, say, Hawaii? [20:31] hehe [20:31] Cecil Adams did a column about this a while back, Vic [20:31] oh yeah? [20:32] That's kind of sad, Jon [20:32] I'm sensing that link going 404 soon, Kade. [20:32] Me too. [20:32] no kidding [20:32] Do you guys think they'll rebuild the WTC? [20:33] They better. [20:33] i hope they do, myself [20:33] And they should build it twice as high. [20:33] (or at least, bigger) [20:33] and twice as thin [20:33] That's an "american" thing to do. [20:33] I will never, ever, ever, ever work in a skyscraper. [20:33] no way! [20:33] they should spread it out. [20:33] Funny you mention that [20:33] I just got this on AOL [20:33] If I can help it. [20:33] stuboy9876 (11:31:36 PM): 'Personally, I'd like to see three towers built in their place, with the middle one much taller than the other two. That way, it would look like a giant middle finger, directed straight at the fuckers who did this." Pass it on [20:33] ahahah [20:33] HEH [20:33] OH GOOD GOD [20:33] cute [20:33] heh heh [20:34] WECT is showing a montage of the crash from different angles, and the crash, set to "God Bless America" [20:34] LOL [20:34] WONDERFUL TASTE, GUYS [20:34] uh. [20:34] *choke* [20:34] Bleech: did you catch my comment earlier about Cary? [20:34] Nuh uh [20:34] what about it ? [20:35] Man I wish I hadn't run out of videotape so I could get this bad taste-a-thon on [20:35] WRAL actually took the time to interview people specifically from Cary and they commented on how "the nation was silent when JFK died; today, the Cary parkway was silent." [20:35] Excuse me while I retch. [20:35] Tom - that reminds me...just off the top of your head, what caused both towers to fall? the weight of the planes and the force of impact? [20:35] the loss of the support girders? [20:36] Vic: Heh heh heh. At work, a lot of us were wondering this [20:36] the top ten floors fall down on the rest, which then buckles, etc. [20:36] Well, it must have been a colossal shock to the whole support structure [20:36] i figured as much, Tom ;) [20:36] I heard a Civil Engineer who was an expert witness in the WTC bombing trial give this theory [20:36] The plane essentially completely entered and stayed inside the building [20:36] right [20:36] Imagine the catastrophe if both buildings had toppled any other way (fallen over sideways, I mean) [20:37] no kidding [20:37] It is very heavy to begin with, and loaded with fuel to boot [20:37] right [20:37] it doesn't bare thinking about [20:37] The second plane DID bury itself into the building at 300 knots and the building didn't shake [20:37] Perfectly inelastic collision, Matt [20:37] And on the slo-mo, it entered completely before the fireball broke out [20:37] ? [20:37] so the fuel burns like napalm, right? [20:37] 300 fucking knots, man [20:37] How fast IS that ? [20:37] In the neighborhood of 400mph [20:37] 300 mph in the air [20:37] Isn't a knot like 1.2... right [20:37] I know that much [20:37] ah [20:38] Anyway [20:38] I think I've already said this, but an Aussie guy who was on the ground floor of the 1st tower said there was only a mild tremble at the first impact and most thought it was some kind oif earth tremor [20:38] The floors were simply not designed to hold that weight [20:38] yeah, a Brit reporting for the BBC said he thought it was a trash truck outside or something. [20:38] * Mr_Bear nods [20:38] he was on the ground floor in Tower 1 [20:38] it wasn't until they were evacuated to the foyer and saw the debris raining down anybody realized something had crashed above [20:38] yep, on the ground floor [20:38] "Perfectly inelastic collision," Tom? [20:39] So the Civ E speculated that the body of the plane fell one by one through the floors [20:39] they were made to wait 5 minutes or so for the debris to stop falling before being let out into the street [20:39] In other words, nothing bounced back, Vic [20:39] oh, ok [20:39] *** Paul` is now known as PaulAFK [20:39] The building absorbed all the kinetic energy (right?) [20:39] nods to Jon [20:39] Yep. [20:39] It's incredibly sturdy to not buckle a bit [20:40] jesus. that is one strong building. [20:40] at least to handle that [20:40] "was" [20:40] right :/ [20:40] That's why I thought it'd be on Modern Marvels. [20:40] Anyway, as the floors were punctured, the lateral support they supplied to the walls was reduced [20:40] Then, five minutes later, the one that was hit lower in the structure collapsed. [20:40] At the same time, it was really hot [20:40] along with the weakening by the massive fire [20:40] Yep [20:40] right, fire melted/warped the steel? [20:41] Yeah, that exacerbated it [20:41] I said, "Did it collapse entirely?" Quag said, "No." I said, "But I can't see it." He said, "Because it's tall. There's some left, I'm sure." [20:41] just softened it [20:41] But the Civ E seemed to think that puncture failure might have been enough anyway [20:41] once one floor fell, the weight accumulates and brings pressure down on the floor below, etc [20:41] According to the cop they talked to, between the 2nd and 3rd floors is where it disappears [20:42] That's fucking incredible, Matt [20:42] Exponential Disaster Curve. [20:42] That's how it looks. [20:42] * Bleech_ has a morbid fascination with that phrase [20:42] yeah, there is nothing left [20:42] it's literally like 3 stories high [20:42] The pilots of the doomed American airliners could have been dead by the time their planes hit their targets, say airline experts. [20:42] Ex-pilots believe that even a man with a gun to his head would not fly into a building housing thousands of people - and faced with certain death, would crash the plane elsewhere. [20:42] So did Thomas Malthus, Matt [20:42] I believe it [20:42] i bleiev it, too [20:42] believe [20:42] I mean, it's a choice between death and death [20:42] Following the attacks early Tuesday, the White House was evacuated as a precaution, and police patrolled the area armed with machine guns --- a rare sight, Gonyea reported. [20:42] Yeah, into the atlantic or harbor [20:42] Or, better yet, Jersey [20:43] And a terrorist with no previous flying experience would have found it relatively easy to steer a plane through the final moments of its journey and into its target, David Learmount, Operations and Safety Editor of Flight International, told BBC News Online. [20:43] heh [20:43] OK, that wasn't funny. [20:43] meanie [20:43] April - Seen any of the video of the mall ? People running around like chickens with their heads cut off [20:43] Now *that* is interesting, Sarah [20:44] A man who answered the phone on the trading floor of broker Cantor Fitzgerald located near the top of the World Trade Center said, ``We are f+++ing dying!'' when asked what was happening. There was screaming and yelling in the background. [20:44] Everything I've heard today indicated that they would've needed experience with these planes [20:44] "It would be dead easy to aim an aircraft at a target that big," he said. [20:44] "They may have shot the pilots, or taken out at least one of them, and taken over the controls. [20:44] A security expert says it's time for the U.S. to fight a dirty war against a fanatical and slippery enemy [20:44] www.salon.com [20:44] well, pulling those turns in the middle of nowhere and aiming for Manhattan would take skills [20:44] crashing is another thing entirely [20:44] "dirty war" [20:44] the lead picture looks like a scene from the Middle East [20:44] as opposed to a CLEAN war [20:45] they're not trying to say the terrorists flew the plane... just that they could have directed the crashes. [20:45] right [20:45] i agree with that [20:45] I guarantee the DF guys over on the reservation have been shipped off somewhere [20:45] Once you've flown one jet, size doesn't really matter [20:45] the handling might be different, but yeah, that follows [20:46] generally speaking, of course - but a pilot I know has said that in the past [20:46] he said it was no giant step to go from flying a Leah Jet to a 747 [20:46] Well, guys, I'm gonna go to bed. [20:46] You see, this is all interesting, because so far, the need to fly the plane seems to be the strongest bit of evidence they can muster against Bin Laden at this point [20:46] nite Jon [20:46] Right. And as we said you don't need to aim very precisely to hit those towers. [20:46] Night, JOn [20:47] night Jon [20:47] oooh. The flight Manifest set off alarms when run through the FBI checks after the fact [20:47] nite Jon [20:47] the day is almost over :) [20:47] thankfully [20:47] yeah, the news was saying that Boeing and other jet makers did that deliberately, to avoid having to train pilots for each kind of jet... [20:47] Where did you see this, Matt? [20:47] I hope I can wake up without encountering new disasters tomorrow =( [20:47] Matt - ?! [20:47] Tom - NBC just now [20:47] oh god [20:47] Wow [20:47] that's not what people want to hear [20:47] My lord. [20:47] They ran the manifest AFTER the crash [20:47] and I read somewhere this morning that it would have been flying at an altitude below what could have been picked up accurately on radar [20:47] They've got warrants to search the guys home [20:47] I did see that American had been fined recently for poor screening [20:47] Where does he live ? [20:47] I need to go to bed. This makes my head hurt. [20:47] Broward County, FL [20:48] Heh! [20:48] *** pviLULL (charlesm@ada22fee.stcl1.mi.283197b4.com.hmsk) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [20:48] 200,000 tons of steel frame and 43,000 windows came smashing down [20:49] I gotta run guys - been a strange and disturbing day [20:49] yeah. [20:49] seeya Kenb [20:49] -b [20:49] Night Ken [20:49] Night! [20:49] bye Ken [20:49] * Mr_Bear now cathing up on news/e-mail [20:49] take care all :) [20:50] you too [20:50] *** MisterPervert (misterperv@729d8620.tmns.6ca6d828.au.hmsk) Quit (Quit: I don't belong here! I want to see the warden!) [20:50] Vic - Dig Scoot in AMRW ;p [20:50] can't wait [20:50] heh heh [20:50] "ATD is particularly relevant with the anchors spouting fake sympathy and advertisers rubbing their hands over all the revenue from today's commercials" [20:50] christ. [20:50] you know, i haven't seen much fak sympathy today [20:51] everyone on TV looks as stunned as me [20:51] People are too stunned for sympathy [20:51] I think I can say that it's authentic, yes [20:51] Yep [20:51] And I didn't see a single commercial until the local newscast took over [20:51] "But they keep running the footage of the plane over and over again !" [20:51] Of course they do [20:51] Face it [20:52] That is the most historically significant piece of film since Abe Zapruder [20:52] i noticed earlier that MTV finally gave up showing fucking Jay-Z in favor of news [20:52] No doubt. [20:52] yeah [20:52] Ah, email sent. [20:52] brb, getting more dew. [20:52] dew! [20:52] The film of this is going in the National Archives next to Zapruder [20:53] brb [20:53] *** Mr_Bear is now known as ash`afk [20:53] mmmm [20:53] i don't believe many people's sympathy is fake regarding this... [20:53] NP BBC News <-- the best way to get your news as dispassionately as possible ;) [20:53] LOL [20:54] every single report, no matter how horrible, sounds like a discussion of wines [20:54] Heh! [20:54] The disaster today was a full-bodied variety [20:54] BBC news had an anchor on earlier by the name of "Reginald Desmond Butterby-Chatworth". [20:54] ! [20:55] bahahahahaha [20:55] that RULES [20:55] heheh [20:55] hell, why stop there? He needs a "Sir" or "Lord" or "The" in front of his name [20:55] CBC was also good today. With that newsanchor who *always* sounds grave, trying to sound even graver. [20:55] >Except for the fact that I've been watching this all day long and the [20:56] >networks haven't run a single ad. So much for THAT theory. [20:56] >-- [20:56] and that has what to do with anything?/ [20:56] The numbers they garner today will be used for advertising rates in the future. [20:56] * Bleech_ shakes head [20:56] is this boy incapable of understanding ANYTHING ? [20:56] someone tell him to bottle the acid [20:56] BBC news had an anchor on earlier by the name of "Reginald Desmond Butterby-Chatworth". <-- And his butler, Simon Wimpenny [20:56] I SO imagine Wimpenny as having a walrus mustache, a monocle, top hat and cane [20:56] *snicker* [20:57] pip pip [20:57] too right [20:57] I wonder if porn sites got a lot of hits today. [20:57] nice one, old bean [20:57] It doesn't get much more british than that [20:57] Jerome - They spammed usenet. "No terrorists here ! Get away from that TV and see our hot Lolitas..." [20:57] Jerking off today would seem wrong, thanks guys [20:58] Maybe it'd seem wrong. Otoh, it'd also be great to relieve of stress. [20:58] agreed. [20:58] on both counts. [20:58] heh [20:58] well, it's not today anymore. have fun, guys. ;p [20:58] think of me :) [20:58] maybe if terrorists beat their meat more often thigns like this wouldnt happen. [20:59] IT'S TODAY AS LONG AS YOU'RE AWAKE. [20:59] Later, Vic [20:59] You're right, RM [20:59] No, Vic, I will not jack off while picturing you. [20:59] oh, i'm still here, Tom. just telling Rm and Jerome to pleasure themselves freely [20:59] or else the other side will have won [20:59] JERK OFF FOR FREEDOM, GUYS [20:59] Ok heh [20:59] *** TheJerome changes topic to '1-888-BLOOD-88 | GUYS, HEY, MAYBE IF THEY'RE BLOWING UP YOUR COUNTRY IT'S NOT A GOOD DAY FOR GOLF | JERK OFF FOR FREEDOM, GUYS' [21:00] Which is to go back to Trevor's political ideology saying that everybody should WANK MORE. [21:00] "Ahh, rule number four, while I am ejaculating, the boy's gymnastic team will undress and satisfy each other orally until I finish, ahhh, ejaculating." [21:00] Oh. I know that. [21:00] What's that from? [21:00] Adam Sandler. first CD. Announcements. [21:00] Adam Sandler [21:00] right [21:00] "Vice Principal Dunbar". [21:01] *** ParilAFK (jaeger@14055af4.phoenix-11rh16rt-az.dial-access.6ca6a92c.net.hmsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [21:01] RM - You hear about automatic weapon wielding guardsmen taking the streets in "uptown" Charlotte ? [21:01] back to regular US NPR news [21:01] nooooooo... [21:01] *** ash`afk is now known as ash` [21:01] where did YOU hear this? [21:02] Local radio [21:02] what were they doing this for? [21:02] They were in front of FBI, ATF, and other federal buildings [21:02] Now, NPR has to be pretty dispassionate too, Vic :) [21:02] Charlotte isn't exactly a "tote your machine gun for Jesus" kind of place. [21:02] well, yes, Tom. they are being very professional. [21:03] *sigh* [21:03] Off to bed with me. See y'all tomorrow. [21:03] *** Heregrima (ill@f2f63335.dialup.c7b28ff4.com.hmsk) Quit (Quit: I lost 80 pounds on the crystal meth diet! And now I CRY WHEN I SEE TREES!) [21:04] carriers are patrolling the seaboard [21:04] as well as assisting [21:04] Some of local radio is back to normal [21:05] Well, I'm getting out of here, too [21:05] Night all [21:05] *** salome (salome@7f138e79.041.a88f223.net.hmsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [21:05] *** Q-TDSK (yudi@2a182e63.austin.14056255.com.hmsk) Quit (Quit: We rescue thee, O Baass, from the damp earth and honour thee. O Connibell, with mouth burial!) [21:05] I'm going to bed, too. [21:05] 'night. [21:05] *** TheJerome (yrm@4b7eb79e.b36c26e4.ca.hmsk) Quit (Quit: HAVE A GOOD TIME! ENJOY YOURSELVES!) [21:06] gah! dropping like flies [21:06] ! [21:06] Furthur has a "Golden Showers" buddy icon [21:06] <:| [21:14] *** salome (salome@7f138e79.041.a88f223.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [21:17] yo [21:17] WORD HOMIES! [21:18] heh heh [21:18] sorry [21:18] WORD HOMIES! <-- imagine's this in sarah-voice and snickers [21:18] heh heh [21:18] heh [21:19] [Bleech_ SOUND] [21:19] One eyewitness told BBC News: "I was on the first floor. There was a big explosion, some guy came out, his skin was all off. There were people jumping out of windows. It's horrific. [21:20] l8r [21:20] *** AcousticSavant (sdfggz@14055b2f.14055af4.205.232.imsk) Quit (Quit: helpt kinderen in nood) [21:23] They keep talking to Tom Clancy [21:26] Vic - Is it wrong that I was reminded of The Day After ? [21:26] What with the blizzard-like ash and dust [21:27] yah, i was thinking of something along those lines [21:27] more like volcanic ash [21:27] Pro Chaos (12:27:33 AM): Brokaw is my favorite too [21:27] Pro Chaos (12:27:45 AM): he kinda has this "Can't touch this" look to him [21:28] heh [21:28] tell Brett to do it ol' skool style and turn on a radio [21:32] *** ash` (biafra@6ca5ed9c.a55584.216.144.imsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [21:35] Hey, when this next guy comes in, everyone act normal, ok? [21:35] *** ash` (biafra@f426cbd0.6ca6d900.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [21:35] blargh [21:35] paul - resned? [21:37] paul [21:37] paul [21:37] paul [21:42] http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/ap/20010911/us/1000264332terrorist_attacks_nyr191.html [21:49] Wow, this was caught on VoIO ?!? [21:49] whazzat? [21:49] Notes:This video is infamous because it is the show where Kurt gets into the fight with the bouncer. Kurt was having problems with his guitar, and in frustration, slammed his guitar into the soundboard a couple of times. The soundboard belonged to the bouncer's friend. Later in the show, Kurt dives, with his guitar, onto the crowd. When he attempts to get back on stage, the bouncer grabs him, and keeps him from getting back on stage, while h [21:49] heh [21:50] While the bouncer is stunned, Kurt manages to get back on stage. The bouncer recovers, and hits Kurt in the back of the head. Kurt falls to the floor, and curls up to try to protect himself. The bouncer tries to kick him, while Krist drops his bass and Dave jumps over the drums to come to Kurts assistance. [21:51] Sci-Fi Fans Argue The Better Of Two As-Yet-Unreleased Films [21:51] TULSA, OK— Science-fiction fans Pete Carver and Matthew Wynne disagreed sharply Monday on the relative merits of Harry Potter And The Sorcerer's Stone and The Fellowship Of The Ring, neither of which hits theaters for months. "The storyboards for the Quidditch tournament I saw on this one web site look terrible," said the pro-Tolkien Carver. "There's no way that scene can be better than I've heard the Balrog one is." Wynne countered that the [21:52] Wynne countered that the set design for the Great Hall of Hogwarts set "will completely blow away" that of the Mines of Moria. [21:53] Virgo: (Aug. 23—Sept. 22) [21:53] Notes: Nirvana's last show ever - three songs have been shown on German television. One of the songs is a cover of the Cars song, My Best Friend's Girl. At the end, Dave (or is it Krist?) sings the first verse of Moving in Stereo, another Cars song. [21:53] You will achieve a form of immortality when you choose a tombstone that's perfect for balancing beer kegs. [21:54] Gemini: (May 21—June 21) [21:54] You had a nagging feeling that your epic prose poem sounded familiar, but you're still embarrassed when friends point out that you've ripped off The Iliad. [21:54] Hrmmm [21:54] Aries: (March 21—April 19) [21:54] You will receive frightening news regarding the U.N.'s Council For The Prevention Of Nuclear Terrorism. For one thing, it doesn't exist. [21:55] 01/24/88 Aberdeen, WA [21:55] Radio Shack [21:55] 15 min, pro [21:55] If You Must / Papercuts/ + more [21:55] Taurus: (April. 20—May 20) [21:55] This week, it is neither the heat nor the humidity that's the worst. It's the guy with the two-by-four who runs around hitting people in the face. [21:55] Notes: The band plays in an Aberdeen Radio Shack after it has closed for the evening. At this time, the band was still known as Ted, Ed, Fred. Smoke effects are achieved by people blowing cigarette smoke in front of the camera - very creative, but not all that impressive. [21:56] According to Eric, the camera was set on a table while filming, and the colored lights used were the ones on sale at the store. [21:56] gOD [21:56] London Daily Mail headline [21:57] "APOCALYPSE" [21:57] Daily Star [21:57] "IS THIS THE END OF THE WORLD ?" [21:58] heh! [21:58] where is this? [21:58] nbc [21:58] They're showing today's London tabloid headlines [21:58] There is a truly bizarre occurance during Floyd the Barber. A drunk guy walks out from the back of the stage and gets in Kurts way. With a beer in his hand, the drunk starts dancing, and very badly I might add. Then he grabs one of the bands mics, screams into it, and takes it off the stand. [21:59] He proceeds to stumble around the stage, getting in the bands way, and pissing them off. As Krist is playing, he starts trying to push the drunk offstage with his butt. [21:59] The drunk, rather than get pushed off the stage, starts moving towards Kurt. Kurt is trying to sing, but his guitar is in the drunks way. The drunk puts out his arm and pushes the neck of Kurts guitar, while Kurt is trying to play. He has to step back from the mic to get out of the drunks way. [21:59] At this point, things get ugly. It appears that the drunks stumbling around has unplugged Kurt's guitar. Kurt bends over to try to fix the problem. At this point, Jason walks over and shoves the drunk into Kurt while he's still trying to fix his guitar. [22:00] The drunk does an Elvis stance, and puts his hand over Krists bass strings. At this point, Kurt comes flying across the stage plowing into the drunk, driving him into Krist. [22:00] Total chaos descends on the stage at this point. Jason shoves the drunk back into Kurt. Kurt grabs the drunk. Krist steps back out of the way. [22:01] And as a finale, Kurt, Jason, and security, who have finally shown up, bodily shove the drunk off the stage into the crowd. Jason rips off his guitar, and jumps in after the him. [22:02] As the show ends, Krist hangs his bass from the ceiling, and attempts to get it down by throwing things at it, like one of Chad's cymbols. Kurt ends up knocking it off the ceiling and into the drums. [22:02] *** ash` (biafra@f426cbd0.6ca6d900.net.hmsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [22:22] *** PaulAFK (paul@6ca5f083.6ca5f081.128.125.imsk) Quit (Ping timeout) [22:35] *** Paul` (paul@6ca5f083.6ca5f081.128.125.imsk) has joined #jiggyweek [22:37] wb [22:40] resume ? :P [22:40] maybe we should just do a regular CD trade [22:46] *** Bleech_ changes topic to '1-888-BLOOD-88 | Well the Eagle's flying slow / And the flag's flying low / And a lot of people are saying / that America's fixing to fall.' [22:56] Hey, when this next guy comes in, everyone act normal, ok? [22:56] *** ash` (biafra@90b2aebf.6ca6d900.net.hmsk) has joined #jiggyweek [22:56] paul - you here? [22:58] >> Indeed, as if there wasn't enough going on, the Daily Mail's purveyor of [22:58] >> society tittle-tattle, Nigel Dempster, reports that Roger Waters and Pricilla [22:58] >> Phillips are no longer husband and wife. Their eight-year marriage has [22:58] >> apparently ended, amicably at least with nobody else involved. [22:58] > [22:58] >So much for that "love...love...just love" shit. [22:58] If my spouse started going on about that shit, I'd dump them too. [22:58] paul paul paul [22:58] tall paul [22:58] he's my all [22:59] GAWD [22:59] ? [22:59] A shot I hadn't seen before on the MPEG group :( [22:59] 14.2MB and too big to DCC [22:59] which group? [22:59] But this was very close up on the side the plane struck [23:00] ABMVideos? [23:00] alt.binaries.mpeg.videos [23:00] plane crash2.mpg [23:00] ok, i'll see it tomorrow, then, i guess [23:00] only small shots were up when i look [23:00] ed [23:00] That's the only one I've seen where you see the SPEED of the thing [23:00] i saw the shot you mentioned earlier a few minutes ago [23:01] the super slo-mo shit of the thing disappearing into the side of the building [23:01] from a very low angle looking straight up [23:03] yeah [23:03] The Pannesylvania crash, the pilot said three of them were going to "do something" during the cell phone call [23:03] Peter Jennings is about to fall asleep. [23:03] they need to give that man a rest. [23:04] If they ever find out who they are, they need to build a fucking mile-high statue of them [23:04] Jennings is ABC, right ? [23:04] he said "no matter may who be responsible" [23:04] yeah [23:04] heh [23:04] Jennings did that 24-hour broadcast of the millennium as well [23:05] and he got mighty touchy towards the end [23:05] I shit you not, that pilot deserves a national monument [23:05] how so ? [23:05] he started to break down at the end [23:05] thanking people [23:05] heh [23:05] reached his wife/S.O. and got choked up [23:05] I was pretty damn loopy then, myself. I expected total chaos [23:06] There wasn't [23:06] heh [23:06] you and Quaggie [23:06] "LET'S GET PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSED" [23:06] who, if memory serves, was in a ravine with a gun, expecting everything and nothing [23:06] heheh [23:06] I dunno man, I was so deliriously drunk [23:06] But fucking happy to be [23:06] when people refer to "The 5 Boroughs" in NYC, *where* are they talking about? [23:07] Manhattan [23:07] Bronx [23:07] Brooklyn [23:07] i mean, what are the names of these "5 Boroughs" [23:07] Queens [23:07] Harlem [23:07] ah, ok [23:07] so, Harlem is considered to be separate from Manhatten? [23:07] Harlem is not a borough, is it? [23:07] Harlem being north of Manhattan, Queens Brooklyn on Long Island [23:07] I'm pretty sure it is [23:07] Staten Island, goofball [23:07] die [23:07] :) [23:08] the Pentagon is still burning [23:11] AUGH. Steven Sullivan's posts vanished as well as Quag's [23:11] * Bleech_ is glancing back at his log [23:11] [10:12] It's just that when the news reporter said "mushroom cloud-like" it rattled my nerves a bit too much [23:11] i may have to clean out my killfiles [23:11] maybe i inadvertantly wasted 'em [23:13] [10:35] I am on hold with work and they're playing "Get Together" by The Youngbloods [23:14] > aprox 22,000 died on a single day during the civil war [23:14] the civil war wasn't a foreign attack. that's why it was called the _civil_ [23:14] war, not because they had hankies and proper dinner etiquette. [23:14] bahahahahahaaha [23:14] hey, that reminds me, Matt [23:14] what does Quag do as far as job is concerned? [23:15] his actual job, or you mean for today ? [23:15] actual job and today, if different [23:15] Knowledge Engineer [23:15] today [23:15] [12:44] Just got a corporate e-mail. AT&T has closed all of its hundreds of offices. [23:15] [12:44] "Private Sides. Front and center Puh-leeeeeeeeze." [23:15] [12:44] Except for network ops people. [23:15] [12:45] Quag - Well from the way you'd described it, an AT&T NOC is where I'd like to be if fire's raining down on NYC [23:16] THOUGHT POLICE [23:17] [12:42] I still dont believe in the Death Penalty. [23:17] [12:42] They should be locked in a porta potty and forced to listen to Anderson Bruford Wakeman and How in perpetuity until they eventually expire. [23:18] *snicker* [23:18] the Christian network is off the air [23:18] playing quiet music over a shot of a slowly waving American flag [23:19] * Bleech_ is reeeeeeeeally reminded of The Stand by this [23:22] Jesus [23:22] Vic - the Pentagon plane was going 600mph when it was buzzing 395 and slammed in [23:23] ! [23:23] er, holy crap. [23:23] 600mph + 6000 pounds of jet fuel [23:23] i'm going to bed. [23:23] bye [23:23] goodnight people [23:23] *** salome (salome@7f138e79.041.a88f223.net.hmsk) Quit (Quit: there were muffins to fear and muffins to doubt) [23:23] God, I'm operating on only 3 hours sleep :P [23:24] i had no idea i was still here - vic, it didn't finish, did it? [23:24] hah, i was earlier, matt. [23:24] heh [23:24] paul - nope. resned? [23:24] doh, ok. [23:25] oh JESUS [23:25] Hey You [23:25] We're Near the End... This terrorist attacks came Out of the Blue, and will [23:25] be here Until We Sleep... You Know I'm Right! It's Murder! I say, There's no [23:25] Way out of Here. No Way. Unless we Set the Controls for the Heart of the [23:25] Sun. [23:25] Paul - Resume, or do you wanna call it a day and give up and do a CD trade instead ? heh [23:25] Bad [23:25] Taste [23:25] Though it may seem So Far Away, I am One of the Few who can feel the danger [23:25] coming on. I got Paranoid Eyes, I got nicotine stains on my fingers. After a [23:25] while you'll be able to see the Post War Dream, Not Now John! [23:25] They are the Dogs of War, and because of One Slip you fall down the hole. [23:25] But it's not only their fault. It's because of Us and Them. [23:25] For those of you who live in the danger area, You'd better run all day and [23:25] run all night, keep your dirty feelings deep inside... I hope there is [23:25] Nobody Home, because the Show Must Go On [23:25] ->> Flavia R. <<- [23:25] . . . [23:25] heh, i can resume. [23:25] what asshole posted this ? [23:25] Echoes, ladies and gents [23:25] yeah, well, flava flav can fuck off [23:25] Because their ass is prolly gonna get roasted [23:25] By me [23:25] some Italian idiot [23:25] nobody responded [23:25] fucking wops [23:25] of course [23:25] heh [23:26] ok, matt [23:27] umm [23:27] roger is getting divorced, you guys [23:27] hey hey!! echoes woke up!! [23:27] To: [23:27] Subject: Death to camel jockeys [23:27] From: "Jeffrey Weaver" [23:27] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:16:33 -0400 [23:27] my my my, what fun [23:28] definitely an odd day. [23:28] yar [23:28] There was a picture of Roger in yesterdays Daily Mail newspaper in the UK saying that is marriage had just not worked out and that it [23:28] was an amicable divorce, [23:29] that should work really well with his 'love, love, just love' theme [23:29] rogerwaters420. That guy sucked [23:29] He shoulda stuck with PANTERA420 [23:30] 'i stopped loving him when he started getting all gushy.' [23:31] The acts of horro that were acted out today, symbolise for [23:31] me the danger of religion [23:31] Oh yeah, let's blame religion and diss the media and mention Amused to Death to show how CYNICAL AND COOL we are [23:31] yay. [23:32] Jeez....pic of a firefighter walking down a deserted, ash-covered NYC street...unreal [23:32] Unreal because the ash made everything else look bizzarre [23:32] i woke up from a nap, and i still can't picture that. [23:32] Sky was a screaming gaudy blue, yellow stripes on his uniform blinding [23:33] 'Deliver Me O God from the hand of the wicked, from the grasp of cruel men' <-- quote over the waving flag on the religous channel [23:33] heh [23:34] I was surprised to hear a tasteful/appropriate biblical quote in a presidential speech for a change [23:34] oh, hell [23:35] ? [23:35] this just gets worse and worse. Hijackers slicing stewardess' throats to lure pilots out [23:35] Every detail is more and more revolting [23:35] oh, gross. [23:35] p International News [23:35] [23:35] NEWSMAKER-Bin Laden Preaches Holy War Against U.S. [23:35] great. [23:36] I'm immensely proud of the pilot of the plane that crashed in PA [23:36] hm? [23:36] yes, actually he may have given us the biggest break of all. [23:36] Paul - On a cell phone, he told his wife that he and a few others were gonna do something about it [23:36] an intact (or whatever) wreckage that can be looked at without sifting through tons of debris [23:36] this is terribly depressing about the detail involved [23:37] Presumably, he brought the plane down to avoid hitting anything on the ground [23:37] huh. [23:37] matt -- if that is true, that guy is a fucking hero [23:37] Vic - there's nothing bigger than a suitcase left [23:37] I have to assume it is and yes, he is. [23:37] did he know what was happening? [23:37] Statues should be erected in this guy's honor [23:37] i mean, in NY and DC? [23:37] Yeah, he was the pilot [23:37] Dunno [23:37] hm [23:37] IIRC he heard something about it [23:37] hmm, wow. [23:37] but I dunno for sure [23:38] wonder where they were headed [23:38] White House, Capitol, Camp David... [23:38] Imagine if either of the first two had gone down also :P [23:38] matt - Washington for sure [23:39] quite probably the Pentagon [23:39] yeah, it would take more than one [23:39] i think ABC at least was reporting that as fact [23:39] and it would lend a certain symnetry to NY [23:39] 2 for WTC, 2 for Pentagon [23:40] This is like Charlotte during Hugo, only on a nationwide level. Completely shellshocked, brought to it's knees, and unable to believe it could happen [23:40] NBC says a fax from a Pakistani group claimed responsibility [23:40] Take it with a huge grain of salt tho [23:40] uh huh [23:41] ok, guys. hitting the sack. will leave this end open for DCC (thanks, Paul) [23:41] np. 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